Is it allowed, I aint got a so%%in clue anymore 1. 2 years ago, us away at the hammers, carra shoulder charges zavon hines off the ball in the box, penalty given. 2. May 2011,v Spurs, Flanno and Pieneer's ( shoulders bump in2 each other), not really a shoulder charge this one , more of a coming together this one, but again we get a pen given against us 3. Saturday, Walters shoulder charges Carra off the ball , instead of a foul to us (which it should have been ), ref gives pen to them cos Carra brings Walters down due to bein off balance from WALTERS shoulder charge The other thing,is Walters one was the WORST of the 3, Flanno one was just a collision not even a charge I dont really care what the rule is TBH, just if possible,any chance of a bit of consistancy, cos at the moment with this rule, I aint got a clue wahts allowed and what aint IM BAFFLED!!!!!
As far as im aware shoulder barging is allowed in the game if you're running for a loose ball and are neck and neck with the opposition player. The prem is a physical league at the end of the day and it should be allowed if there are no hands/pushing involved.
Yes it is but as Red pointed out, there should be no hands pushing/pulling....normally a foul is made before shoulders ever make contact!!
To be honest it is one of the rules that has hampered modern football. I much prefer the old days when a good old shoulder barge was allowed I agree that no-one really seems to know the limits and consistency from refs is appalling.
The thing that baffles me is most of the pundits claim that '''Walters got on the wrong side of Carra'', he didn't, Carra was goal side. Secondly if someone is going to lose their balance, they will always put their arms out for leverage. I always thought the decision is generally given on the initial challenge and not the second. Therefore it was never a penalty and a free-kick to Liverpool.
I'm not sure that refs today even now what a shoulder charge actually is. Now I stand to be corrected by my understanding is that the following needs to apply: The challenge must be shoulder to shoulder - the Walters incident was not! Both players must have both feet on the ground - in the Walters that was not the case. One of the players must be in possession of the ball - otherwise even if both of the above apply it is merely a barge.
My translation of a shoulder barge is that it's a race to see who receives minimal contact first so they can fall over. A charge is more a deliberate attempt to push someone off the ball, however. That said, there's no distinction from refs and the below applies. Wes Brown shoulder barges into Carroll the other week when we played sunderland. Brown goes down first, foul. Flanno against Pienaar was mentioned in the OP, same situation. Pienaar dropped first despite being twice the size, foul. Always happens. What happened to these big, strong players? All I see are ***gots dropping like sacks of potatoes at the first sign of contact. Incidently, what's the rule on physical obstructions? Apparantly they're legal within 10yards of the pitch lines to shepherd a ball out of play, using your 'experience and strength' as all comentators chime, but anywhere else and such physical play isn't allowed. I'd love some consistancy on what level of phyicality is allowed in the game because it's really frustrating.
Of course my point was, if it is allowed, why where Carra and Flanno penalised in the 1st 2 instance I gave If it isnt allowed why wasnt Walters penalised NO CONSISTANCY!!!!
Didn't Kelly get pushed by Arshavin? I can't remember if it was a shoulder barge but it definitely wasn't shoulder to shoulder. Luckily Reina saved the shot from RVP in the follow up.
Lucas Exactly On that occasion now foul was given, and RVP was allowed to take a shot at goal. Now thats not shielding which in my opinion is legal. That was a blatant shoulder barge. It seems to me there is no consistency and Kenny is right to question these decisions.
