Im a MUFC fan certainly not trying to WUM, i like Arsenal and they have many great players ie Van Persie, Wiltshere, Cesc, Ramsey etc, I know Arsene has saved the club so much money with the budget and how he has saved the club from unnecessary debt and fair play to him, my best mate is a gunners fan, die hard in fact and he would like a new manager in as he has lost faith in Arsene, in one respect Wenger is a good manager for bringing in excellent young talent but hasnt been trophy sucessfull in a while, whats all your views?
I think there comes a time to move on he's done a great job to this point but is it time to give another manager the opportunity to take Arsenal to the next level. It's an attractive job, good squad top stadium and some money to spend.
Arsene Wenger's strength was always his ability to identify and bring in TOP players.(normally players that nobody has heard of and turn them into World class players) If he spends money Arsene will win trophies. Consider that Arsenal have spent less money on transfers over the last 7 years than Birmingham. Ferguson or Mourinho could'nt have done any better on the budget Wenger has had to work with.
give him another few years see if these players can develop into what he expects as most of them are early 20s so still have a way to go If nothing then move on
To be fair while Wenger is a very good spotter of young talent, to say he turns players into World class ones is a bit of an exaggeration. If this was the case why is Arsenal so long without a trophy. Yes he has developed a number of cheap signings over the years into becoming excellent players e.g. Cesc and sometimes some have been sold on for profit e.g. Anelka, but to start claiming he makes World Class players just adds to the pressure on him.
You kind of misunderstand what i'm saying. Back when we were winning trophies Wenger was regularly buying players (not big names but still). (Examples Anelka, Vieira, Pires, Henry, Toure, Overmars, Gilberto Petite etc..) Now since the Emirates and our acquired debt Wenger has chosen to develope youth as a cheaper more sustainable alternative. It's worked to some extent but to push ourselves back to where we previously were Wenger needs to invest.
Agreed. It did seem years ago Wenger was prepared to open the cheque book and buy a few players and established ones like Overmars, Pires, and Henry. I have not a clue why now he is refusing expect due to plain stubbornness. I do think Arsenal have money to spend and the transfer window still has a long way to go. Personally Wenger has a few more seasons left in him at Arsenal but stranger things have happened so he could be forced to walk.
Arsene has some impressive names to boast about. Weah, Anelka, Henry, Pires, Toure, Overmars, Fabregas, Van Persie, Vieira, Petit, Kanu, Lehmann, Toure (Yaya WAS originally scouted by Arsenal and only his impatience stopped him from being ours), Gilberto, Klinsmann, Hoddle, Stojkovic, Campbell, Ljungberg, Cole, Sagna, Vermaelen, Adebayor, Nasri. Many of them were complete unknowns before they met Wenger. In a few years we might be talking about Wilshere, Ramsey, Szczesny, Miyaichi and Walcott in the same way. To say he doesn't unearth world class talent is not to add pressure on him. It's more or less fact.
Weah, Anelka, Henry, Pires, Toure, Overmars, Fabregas, Van Persie, Vieira, Petit, Kanu, Lehmann, Toure, Gilberto, Klinsmann, Hoddle, Stojkovic, Campbell, Ljungberg, Cole, Sagna, Vermaelen, Adebayor, Nasri. Of the players above I have highlighted 6 players who Wenger unearthed. The others were already professionals in other teams and countries with many already established internationals. Many people in the UK would have not know them as household names but to claim it was Wenger who unearthed them all is an insult to their coaches and mentors.
Henry was failing at Juve and had played as a left winger all his career. Converted to the best forward in the World (at his peak). Overmars - No other clubs were interested because of his injuries. VP - Was a 19 year old left winger at feyenoord. Vieira - Was bought as a 19 year olf from AC Milans reserves. Petit - Was a left back converted to centre midfield by Wenger. Actually, I can't be bothered to go on, but you get the jist. They were not players that were being sought out by other clubs, just Arsenal. & although Wenger may not have unearthed them, he certainly bought them (mostly) very cheaply and turned them into top quality players, often in different positions. Obviously, there are a fair few in the original list which had nothing to do with Wenger as they were already established. Lehmann, Gilberto etc.
Henry was failing at Juve and had played as a left winger all his career. Converted to the best forward in the World (at his peak). Still a established player before Wenger signed him for Arsenal. Overmars - No other clubs were interested because of his injuries. Again was an established player before Wenger got interested. VP - Was a 19 year old left winger at feyenoord. Yes again a professional already in a top European league Vieira - Was bought as a 19 year olf from AC Milans reserves. Yes but had already played a large number of games for Cannes in France before signing for AC Milan Petit - Was a left back converted to centre midfield by Wenger. Also played at CB at Monaco and so what???
I claimed that Wenger had been involved with unearthing many of them. Which is different. Also, if he had been at four other youth clubs that would suggest that nobody wanted him.
This "They were not players that were being sought out by other clubs, just Arsenal. & although Wenger may not have unearthed them, he certainly bought them (mostly) very cheaply and turned them into top quality players, often in different positions."
Constcrepe --- Just because they all had a history of playing football doesn't mean Wenger did nothing to advance their careers. He did.
Never said he didn't. My point is he did develop their careers but to say he caused them to be World class is an exaggeration.
