Despite Fergie and the club asking fans not to sing chants about Hillsborough, almost inevitably they still did. The paper thin excuse that the chants 'It's never your fault, you're always the victims, it's never your fault' that the MUFC supporters club tried to pass off as 'not about Hillborough'. It's clear that it was. It's not just Utd either, Liverpool still make reference to the Munich air crash and whilst it's not as bad today as it was, I remember standing on the North Bank whilst people made 'gassing' noises in reference to the Jews when we played Spurs. It seems clear that pleas from the clubs for fans to behave goes unheeded, so would docking points be the answer. It would certainly hit clubs and the fans hard and may make them think twice. I'm not particularly advocating it as an answer, but I'm interested to hear what people think and what other measures they think would be effective. Or whether people think that it's just an overreaction and too much is being made of it ?
Fully agree, should be the same for all clubs! Be a very tricky thing to implement though.... they need to start off with lengthy bans for the people doing it, it's not really fair on the people who don't chant and are generally well behaved at football.
Maybe make them play a game behind closed doors every time it happens? Points deduction would never happen and even if it did they would just get them back on appeal anyway
Bit Harsh punishing the clubs because of a few knob jockey fans (especially as all clubs have them). Start with lifetime bans if feasible and if that doesn't curtail it I am with Krome behind closed doors games.
Also United fans are claiming its a not about Hillsborough but is instead referring to the Suarez situation, so there's not alot anyone can do about it. Freedom of speech and all.
Retroactively Yes!! Ban fans post incident. But there is absolutely nothing any club can do if one guy or a group of guys decide to chant something vile in the middle of a game. How could you, not to mention fans could turn around and sue clubs unless the club can 100% guarantee that the fan was being abusive even then they could be flitering a thin line between freedom of speech and hate crimes. Legally I could imagine it being a hotbed issue as well.
The mancs have a lot of form for distasteful chants. Numerous ones about Hillsborough, ones about Wengers sexuality, etc. Even Ol red nose has asked them to stop. Classless.
Every ground has CCTV and if fans were indulging in offensive chanting they could be picked out and ejected from the stadium.I saw a bloke being checked by the stewards on Saturday because they thought he was drinking alcohol
If we were to use the same language outside as we do inside a ground we would be arrested for a public order offence
They have the right to refuse entry to anyone but if a person is ejected/banned due to alleged vile chants the individual will have every right to sue the club if they feel they are in the right (whether they are or not is different) spouting psychological damage and false accusations not saying this happens or even that it will but any corporation has to be aware/vary of it. Yeah but that is retroactive punishment and in many cases only when other fans point out/ tell an official in most cases. They can ban that guy as well. But the fact is it is impossible to stop someone from doing it in the first place is what I meant by retroactively.
As if the fa are going to take points off them, they give them about 12 every season with the weak as piss homer refs they appoint at Old Trafford every week.
I've spoken to people on this subject and they all make the same point, that when you are in a stadium it gives you a chance to let go of your frustrations and act in a manner that you wouldn't normally dare to as if it provides you with some sort of catharsis. I've never understood why it's seen as a good thing to indulge the vile, tribalistic side of one's personality.
The fans at the game can play a big part in eradicating these vile chants by reporting these idiots singing these songs to the club/police/stewards but would people have the guts to do it if they saw this kind of chanting going on at a game? I think the "always the victims" song was started to be sang at Old Trafford whilst the Evra/Suarez case was unfolding and with the way Liverpool and Dalglish in particular behaved when it happened. But the song shouldn't have been sang this week by the small minority with all that's happened regarding the Hillsborough files being released.
Points shouldn't be docked for things like this, ever. Anonymous enforcers should be planted around the stands and if anything untoward is being said or done by any fans in the vicinity, then they should be recorded and then removed and banned from attending games. Word would soon spread and people will **** themselves so much that they won't do it.
