It's a simple 'Yes' or 'No' poll. When Michel Vorm is back fit would you put him straight back in or let Gerhard Tremmel carry on, as he has done exceptionally well so far and beyond everyone's expectations? (Have to admit I'm starting to waver a bit)
Yes keep Tremmel in. Vorm was showing signs of complacency and making mistakes. Since Tremmel has come in our defense has been better.
The thing is, Vorm's distribution is a lot better and I feel that we have tightened up at the back because the defence is protecting Tremmel to an extent, so how much does that and his poor distribution affect us going forward? Tremmel has done well and it's another 'nice' headache for Laudrup, but it has to be Vorm for me. Maybe he won't be so complacent now knowing he has genuine competition
I would keep Tremmel. What incentive is there for a player if he is dropped no matter how well he is performing? Vorm's injury was unfortunate but that's football and there is no doubt that his standards were slipping from their usual high. Football is all about competition and the man in possession keeps the jersey so long as he is earning it. A fit again Vorm should inspire Tremmel to keep raising his game because he knows that there is a top keeper waiting to grab his place if he falters. Wish we had the same problem for every position in the team. That's what breeds success in football at any level.
Only problem with fighting for your place as a keeper, you only get a chance to get back in due to a red card or injury. Keepers hardly get subbed. So it's very difficult for Laudrup to choose. Maybe alternate them, keep them both on their toes and then determine number one.
I would go for Vorm. A fit Vorm is better than a fit Tremmel, especially in terms of his distribution and kicking. I should add that it is great that we are in this position to choose between two very good keepers!
I would agree that of the two, Vorm is probably the better keeper. But, as long as Tremmel keeps performing at a high level, I think it would be wrong to drop him. What sort of message would it send out if we did?
Tremmel has made the difficult adjustment from training ground to full league matches well. His confidence, comfort and command are growing with each game. However, I voted to return to Vorm because they are keepers of two different styles and Vorm's strengths in terms of playing as an extra defender is more suited to our style of game and his better technique, agility and reflexes - you are not the number 2 Dutch keeper for nothing. Unfair on Tremmel and if Vorm was out for the season I would have no problem in Tremmel being our number 1.
I agree with this but i think tremmel has sent a rocket up vorms arse now and i expect to see a better keeper return into the team, tremmel has done all thats been asked, but a 100% vorm is a better keeper than a 100% tremmel IMO
Good point there norway. Put Vorm in then, see how the competition has affected him. If he underpervorms then bring in Tremmel. I would just feel bad for Tremmel after the way he's played to become 2nd again and only get cup games.
The thing is, who can guarantee that Vorm will return and start putting in 100% displays? I agree that comparing the keepers at their best, Vorm takes it. BUT, right now Tremmel is performing well and it would be dangerous to drop him. If his standards drop then fair enough, Vorm gets back in. However, my worry would be that we would drop a keeper who is playing well to bring back someone whose form after injury would be unproven. We would be taking a gamble on one keeper and destroying the confidence of the other one at the same time.
I have to hold my hands up here. I slagged of tremmel no end and was gutted when he came in for an injured vorm. He has proven me, and many more wrong and I'm happy to admit that. When vorm returns, tremmel should still remain number one. It would be very unfair to drop him and would really knock his confidence.
Isn't this still some way off anyway?...on current form, yes Tremmel is playing well so keeps his place, but by the time Vorm is ready to play again Tremmel might be having a mare....I hope that won't be the case, but there is no decision to make yet. Assuming he is playing exactly like he is atm, when the time comes, maybe keep in as no.1, but keep a close eye to what Vorm's doing in the U21's and training, once Vorm is 3/4 back to full fitness he is probably better than a full-firing Tremmel - unfortunately for the German...
I don't think that any of us has any doubt that Vorm is the better keeper and, if Tremmel starts to look shaky then it is a no-brainer to reinstate the Dutchman. But, I ask again, if Tremmel seizes his chance, which obviously he will try to do, and starts playing out of his skin for us, would it be wise - or fair - to drop him? Not for me. That smacks of picking players on reputation and not performance and would send totally the wrong message to the rest of the squad.
I agree with your point Ivor that may be ML's thinking also, and it will take Vorm time to get back into match fitness / sharpness when he returns. I don't think this will be an automatic transition unless Vorm looks so much sharper in training that not to play him would be ridiculous. We are going to have some match congestion over Christmas / New Year and with the League Cup tie coming up so there are going to be opportunities to test Vorm out and make sure he is up to speed. If Vorm is back for the Middlesboro game then as the "reserve" keeper that is where he would naturally get a game - ironic.
Yeah maybe so Ivor, but hasn't Laudrup already done that with Hernandez & Dyer? Don't get me wrong, he has been vindicated on recent performances, but for me Hernandez's early form was nothing on Dyer's....Laudrup just preserved with the player he knew had superior talent...same will happen with Vorm in my view, as however good Tremmel is he doesn't have the same distribution, quickness & touch that Vorm does... Agree though it is tricky and the message to the other fringe players won't be great...
I think Tremmel has just got better and better since he has come in. But, Vorm is one of the best goalkeepers in the premier league. Isnt it nice that we are all debating this because, i guarentee most, if not all of you thought we would be in trouble with Tremmel stepping up. There are pros and cons to who ever plays. Vorms distribution is better and probably a better shot stopper, but, Tremmel i feel is better under the high ball, crosses. So would you think Chelsea would leave Czech on the bench if fit despite performances from Turnbull. Liverpool did the same when Reina was fit. Would city leave Hart on the bench. As wrong as it seems we pick our strongest side. If ML believes that Vorm is the best then he plays. Tremmel knew when he was signed that he signed as back up as wrong as that may be. So, for me it has to be a Vorm return.
I haven't voted as i really don't know what's for the best but i'd like us to do what Fergie has done this season at Man Utd,He seems to have played both De Gea and Lindegaard alternatively this season probably waiting for one of them to make a huge error which hasn't materialised yet.. Dont think it's an option that would be considered by Swansea but i personally think it could work..
Hard one to call , Tremmel has more than earned his place (how many games did he win / draw for us with some of his outstanding saves ) , considering the centre half pairing and goal keeping has changed recently ,the defence has been tight and you build a side from the back.His distribution has got better the more he plays, with some dead ball kicks on Sunday were pin point to Hernandez and he didn't fluster when Chico decided to pass back to him within 6 yards with Suarez bearing down on him.. he also brings a bit more height to the position which is on thing that Vorm lacks. I'ts a great position to be in ( two very good keepers) and for one I'm glad that I don't have to decide
I'm not sure how accurate this is as I believe he signed before Vorm. Didn't he and Moreiera sign around the same time before we discovered Vorm?
