There is currently a lot bouncing around about how the PL currently has a low number of English u21's players getting game time. This gets blamed a lot for our lack of success but I would like to bring up a different idea. Should more young English players be looking abroad? Look at other countries. Spain, Germany, France and Brazil for example. Hugely successful teams on the international stage. They all get praised for developing top youth, and the amount of young players from those countries playing in the countries leagues never gets questioned (as far as I am aware). But not all of the players from those countries stay in those countries and many will even move abroad as teenagers to help get a better start to their careers. From Spain Fabrigas, Arteta, Suso and Pacheco (among others) moved abroad at very young ages. Some with more success than others. From Brazil most of the big names move to Europe. Our own Coutinho moved to Italy when he was 17. We currently have teenage German striker Samed Yesil. Pretty much every young French player moves to Arsenal... So, do you feel more young English players should consider a move abroad to aid their careers? I also feel this could bring in more exotic styles of play to influence the England team. Fabio Capello said he wanted more senior England players to transfer abroad so that his team had more foreign experience. But that did not happen. Thoughts? Should some young English players consider looking abroad?
No, look at Germany. Most of their team play in Germany. Same with Spain and Italy. I would like to see us do trials in order to find the best youngsters in the land, then over lets say 5 years take them all over the world ( families if need be ) to the best footballing nations and give them a real lesson in world wide football. Year 1 - Spain Year 2 - South America Year 3 - Germany Year 4 - Italy Year 5 - England Not suggesting that order of those locations btw. I would also bring in coaches from the best sides in these countries. Get them from Barcelona, Borrussia Dortmund etc etc. We clearly do not know what we are doing in England so lets learn of those who do, on their home turf.
depends on the ambition of the player i suppose, a lot of them now days get silly money at a young age which i doubt they would get going abroad, look how many players are happy to sit on the bench and collect silly wages, youngsters are no dif. don't think there is as much pride in playing for England as there used to be,or certainly looks that way to me, should look at that first.
If you're a **** player then you're going to be **** in every country you play. Moving to Spain or Germany isn't going to magically improve the player. Michael Mancienne is still ****, as an example.
Hence why I said do trials and find the best. Would be no point taking any random kid over. No point and a waste of time and money.
well this is what rugby teams sometimes do, some players get sent to new zealand or australia to get toughened up. especially props or other forwards. however what you are really looking at is taking very young kids (as if they are any good by 17 they are pros and playing) and moving them..... the whole concept of nextgen series is to do just this, expose kids to other styles of football. Though i must ask I take it that you think moyes is a foreign world class coach then at least LFC appoined coaches out of barcelona I suppose.
I cant really say what moyes is except hes better than Brendon but thats not the point here is it so why bring Moyes into it?
Taking players abroad solves nothing long term. It just admits that we're not good enough to coach and develop our own youth. They need to stop wasting money on useless training facilities because the level of coaching is only ever as good as the person leading the session - it's got **** all to do with how many nice, full size pitches you have, how 'interactive' the strategy rooms are or that nice shiny sauna room. The FA needs to invest heavily in hiring the best coaches from aboard and pay them top dollar to develop our coaches. Ship out the old farts who are stuck in the days past. Unless people truely believe that the likes of Hodgson, Allardyce, Redknapp, McCarthy, McLeish, Hughes, Warnock, Reid, Venables, etc are good enough to take us forward... It's an example which'll probably see me get WUM'd, but even look at Rodgers, a manager who wants to play the ball on the floor with attacking, possession football. Where did he develop as a coach? Abroad and under Mourinho (a foreign manager). He learnt **** all in this country. Ship the old guys out, invest massively in the best foreign coaches (Spanish, German, Brazilian, etc) and start to develop our own coaches. In 10 years time we might have some half competant coaches and lots more of them who can actually develop players into skillful players.
for the laugh... if all you can say is oh he's better than brendan come on... thats a big come down from ferguson... god is is really still quite a laugh to think of moyes in the hot seat... i couldn't give a toss if he does have a bit of short term success there's only one way its going to go... now.. on foreign coaches... every club appointing them are making bad mistakes where they cull coaches out and fail to gor their own home coaches... like him or HATE him mourinho in 3 years helped clarke and even rodgers along. again lloking at lfc precisely who id rafa help? not one english coach so when he left we went to hodgson and his crap GK coach mate and that was about it... horrendous damage to the club. i hope in the future coaches start with younger kis and move up form there.... carragher if he had been interested should have been pushed that way.
I think by taking the best youngsters all over the world to learn different styles will benefit us long term. Some of these young players wont make it but will become grass roots coaches, others will make it and eventually go into coaching and management further up the ladder. theres no point trying to retrain our already out of touch coaches, just forget about the next 10 maybe 20 years and look at starting fresh. Or ask germany what they did after the embarrassing Euro 2000.
Taking the best youngsters abroad won't result in many. Of those, even few will go into coaching or management with punditry looking more attractive instead. I'm not saying to retrain what we have, I'm saying we need to get rid of those. Instead, we need to be training the next batch of coaches. The people (and children) who are 16-24 ish who are looking to get into coaching. Train those with top quality and cultured coaches from abroad. You can get through thousands a year for much less money than sending them off aboard to firstly get a tiny shot of a playing career and then hoping they go into management/coaching. What worries me is when people high up in the FA give votes of confidence to the likes of Hodgson despite shocking football being played and no improvement evident. It's no wonder we'll never move on. The FA are themselves stuck in the past.
They should but with the size for the transfer fees compared to technically better European young players they just can't make the move unless they move before they become pros, can they even do that anyways? Would they have to make the move at academy level?
I understand what you are saying but I feel we are so far gone now that anything other than starting from the very beginning will lead us nowhere. We need to start as young as possible like they do abroad.
UIR the door is completely open for our coaches to go and learn in europe and with uefa. there is nothing at all to stop people doing it. BUT its up to the individual not the FA to do it. why? cos the fa are more worried about blaziers and employing ner do well coaches like stuart pearce. For me the best thing for LFC is to train coaches form the ground up as you say and have a supply chain just like people focus on youth players coming through. the structure from youth to senior has been shown by mike marsh, though i wonder about him. We should be training up guys though the technical analysis section, the, fitness coaches etc.... I have to say degree level sport scientists and such can be sponsored at uni, and you simply on't need to wait for some pro to retire to start this.
Spearing has already mentioned this but the problem is the coaches and the training schedules. I believe Spain and Germany have the most qualified coaches and the rules in those countries are more relaxed - can't remember where I read it but I think Spain are allowed to spend more hours with the players and as a result, more hours training. I think the UK has a set limit on the number of hours coaches are allowed to spend with players. However, I do think we should be encouraging players to play abroad. Learn new cultures which can improve their adaptability and new methods of training. And we have coaches like Roy Hodgson, Stuart Pearce, Tony Pullis etc and the media seem to love them because their hard working, typical English spirit etc etc. We build up mediocrity, yet someone like Rafa was ridiculed during his time at LFC.
I do not want to sound negative, but when English players are given no opportunities at home, how can they be recognised abroad?.
It could be a class thing. Most English footballers are from working class backgrounds. It's been suggested that the 'working class' don't have the same desire to expand culturally as the 'middle class' - so while holidays abroad have become the norm, a desire to learn from or about other cultures doesn't feature high. Those that have ventured abroad like Woodgate and Darius Vassel speak about the loneliness. Remember the quote about Rush about playing in Italy ' it's like playing in a foreign country' I read this recently on a Cultural Geography website - 'Promising steps are being taken that may kick-start an English advance abroad. Learning a foreign language will be compulsory from the age of seven in England’s primary schools in an overhaul of the national curriculum due in 2014 and the Education Secretary, Michael Grove, has introduced the possibility of making foreign language GCSE’s compulsory as well. This will not only give future footballers the fundamental tools to operate abroad but it will also give them that crucial early exposure to a different culture. Complementing this move is the increasing investment in local communities of English professional football clubs through events that involve their players from their youth academies up to their first teams in the top divisions, representing a commitment to the holistic development of their players. It will be many years before any change is noticed, but it will be worth the wait.' http://boundlessonline.org/issues-2...012/why-dont-english-footballers-play-abroad/
