Please could anyone else who was at the game tell me exactly what happened at the end? I first thought we had conceeded a pen then they scored then the ref disallowed it, did something happen off the ball? don't get me wrong I'll take any good luck heading our way but felt sorry in a way for the owls fans. Now sorry to keep banging on about this but why in Gods name does DM insist on playing that walking nightmare Fontaine he is not up to the job of being a championship player and hr has to be the worst captain I can remember. And like one or two others I am in my sixties and have followed the Robins since the mid 50's and seen some great/good/awful captains.
Just read on the BBC Bristol site the goal was disallowed becag the balluse of a sheffield player grabbing the ref didn't see that myself as I was watching the ball and to be honest couldn't tell if the whistle went before or after the ball ended up in the net, still need to know though did anyone actually see the incident or have a better view that I did when you are in a wheelchair you don't get the best of views as you are so low down.
What I got from the radio was Sheffield Wednesday had a shot it hit one of our players arms they appealed for a penalty the ref played the advantage and as he did so Lleara grabbed and swore at the ref as most of his team mates played on, Then just before they shot the ref blew the whistle because of Lleara's actions then Sheffield Wednesday carried on without realising and scored, All this within seconds. They had the penalty but chose to play on and when one of there players reacted the way he did to the ref he gave us the free kick and took away there penalty and advantage so if Lleara would of carried on playing it would of ended 3-3 with there goal they scored in the advantage would of counted................ I think well this is what I heard, If im wrong then I would like to hear what happened
That is correct just about Shiny, though the SW fans almost pushed the ref to the ground, so he had to stop the game as he was unsighted. And Heaton didnt really make an offort to save the ball, so its clear the whistle had already gone. Why the ref didnt send off the SW player I dont know - he literally had hold of the ref by both shoulders and was pushing him backwards. I though if you so much as touched the ref, it was an automatic red card
That's the difference between rugby and football, If a rugby player did that he would be sent off, You're not allowed to go near the ref shout swear and shake him in rugby, well the players wouldn't dare, There's a bit more respect but rugby refs are rarely wrong because they can always have it video checked where as football refs have to make there mind up there and then in a split second. We should learn from other sports and have the game watched by someone and if the ref isn't 100% he asks them. it takes a minute or two to do and it would help keep games fair
From the video on TV last night and from Radio Bristol; Camera angle same as commentators and possibly similar to referee's view. Impossible to see if Foster handled it. But very clear on TV that Llera and another Wednesday player physically collided with ref to protest, forcing him to step back. By the time the ball was passed back across goal, it is obvious from City defenders reaction that ref had blown whistle. Morals of the incident; Don't stop playing in order to protest to ref. Even if you hear a whistle, never allow any ball to enter your own goal if you can stop it legally. Past incidents of whistles in crowd come to mind. Of even more concern for me is that Foster was left on his own deep in our penalty area with two or three Wednesday forwards. We've got to defend better than this in the last minutes.
Apart from major incidents like tries they normally just take the refs word for it. But the difference as you say is respect in rugby a lot of infringements happen when the ref or the crowd can see anything like holding on when the ball should be released in amongst 10 17 stone men is a difficult job so both teams just respect them. The best thing in rugby is the sin bin, if your getting a bit heated and chopsy you get sin binned to calm you down. That is the one rule I would like to see then you won't get the players surrounding refs knowing 10 mins in the bin without using a sub to replace that position you could seriously put your team in danger.
(I believe but am not 100% sure) Video evidence is only used in rugby to determine Try/No Try. Video ref not allowed, at present, to act on things like the right hook from behind by NZ hooker on Welsh player 2 weeks ago. But offender can be "cited" for such incidents and punished later. I remember years ago Ian Botham talking about video referrals in cricket. He said he did not want them as cricket is a sport; players make mistakes which gets them out or not / concede goals or tries etc. Referees also make mistakes but he said as long as they do not deliberately make wrong judgements, he preferred to accept them as just a fact of life. I think we should remember that while it is a job for players/managers, it is just a game for the spectators. If no-one made a mistake in any sport how dull it would be. And even with three match officials on the pitch in football, they cannot see everything that happens. Do we really want to stop the game every five minutes for long deliberations from 8 or 9 angles. Possible for Premier, International and televised games but there is only one camera at most games so it's not on for me. I am for hanging a camera on the post to determine if ball crosses the goal line but that is a different scenario altogether.
