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Setback for Sea the Stars' brother

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  1. PNkt

    PNkt Well-Known Member

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    BORN TO SEA, a three-parts brother to SEA THE STARS, has met with a "small setback" according to his trainer John Oxx and is now not expected to make his debut before September.

    The colt, the 11th and final foal out of Arc winner URBAN SEA, holds entries in the G1 National Stakes and the Epsom Derby.

    In other family news, some of the names of SEA THE STARS first foals have been registered:

    Colt out of MAGICAL ROMANCE (G1 winner) - TALL SHIP
    Colt out of LOVE DIVINE (G1 winner) - TOUCH THE SKY
    Filly out of ALBANOVA (G1 winner) - ALL AT SEA
    Colt out of CENTREOFATTENTION - CENTRE STAR <eek> not very original!
     
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  2. QuarterMoonII

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    I am surprised that the owners have been allowed to name a filly All At Sea.

    That was the name of a filly trained by Henry Cecil for Khalid Abdulla that won the Musidora Stakes at York in the 1990s. I know that she did not go on to win the Oaks and so the name is not automatically blocked but I expect that she is still alive somewhere in the Juddmonte Farms estate.
     
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  3. King Shergar

    King Shergar Well-Known Member

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    I've noticed this horse is no bigger than 33/1 for next years Derby, doesn't that seem abit ridiculous, considering the colt hasn't even seen a race course? :biggrin:
     
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    Princess, is it next season we see Sea The Stars' first 2 Y O's?
     
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  5. PNkt

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    QM, the reason they have been allowed to name the filly ALL AT SEA is because the Juddmonte mare was born and registered in the USA and is not therefore part of the UK/Ireland Stud Book register.

    Names are only protected in all stud books worldwide if the horse wins one of the "protected races". Otherwise, if the horse was registered in a different country it can be reused in other nations.
    For all other names the Rules state that the name can be registered again after a certain amount of time:

    For broodmares:
    10 years after her death
    or
    10 years after her last recorded covering
    or
    when the mare reaches 30 years of age

    For stallions
    15 years after his death
    or
    15 years after the last year in which he covered 1 or more mares
    or
    when he reaches 35 years of age

    For all other horses (geldings, fillies that did not breed, etc)
    5 years after their death
    or
    when reaching 20 years of age

    You can read the list of protected names (and the protected races) here: http://www.horseracingintfed.com/resources/NP_2011.pdf
     
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  6. PNkt

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    Top Class, I'm afraid not. Next year is first yearlings so you've got to wait till 2013 before you will see any on the racecourse.
     
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  7. QuarterMoonII

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    Thanks, Princess, I knew about the protected races but I never knew that the naming convention was regionalised. I thought that because the filly ran here the name was off limits whilst the horse was still alive. She would be twenty-two now as I looked her up on pedigreequery.com and she was a 1989 foal.
     
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  8. PNkt

    PNkt Well-Known Member

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    QM, part of the reason horses carry suffixes after their name (eg (GB), (USA), (IRE), etc) is to identify between the different stud books.

    However, a suffix is not necessarily an indicator of whether a horse is GB bred, or another country, merely an indicator of where they were born and registered.
    It's a pet hate of mine when people refer to a horse as "British-bred" just because it carries a GB suffix!
     
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  9. Janabelle13

    Janabelle13 Well-Known Member

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    I remember a few years ago a race where Susanna (GB) and Susanna (USA) were both entered and ran
     
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