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  1. Plymjools

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    P & A have sent invoices arriving on Christmas Eve to fans for things such as hiring the tribute lounge for an engagement party,another whose son was a mascot for the day during the administration, which have all been paid, others have received invoices and they haven't got a clue what for ! It has caused some people considerable stress, P & A should hang their heads in shame after the way they handled our administration. Wouldn't put it past Brenda & Co to have deliberately timed the invoices to arrive when they did. If it were me I'd ignore the letters and let them take me to court to show how incompetent they actually are !!!! :mad:
     
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    :emoticon-0172-mooniThe only obvious explanation is what we know already-Brendan Gulible is a incompetent arsehole!
     
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  3. sensiblegreeny

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    They should all place themselves in Administration.
     
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    The guy is a joke, how dare he blame the fans who helped keep it all afloat whilst he persisted with a bidder without deadlines!
     
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  6. notDistantGreen

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    Of course the obvious reason why invoices would be raised is that people owe money relating to the administration period.

    The money will go back to the creditors, like all the money raised in administration, including the list of worthy local traders we were urged to support recently.

    I'm puzzled just who thinks they can get a venue for an engagement party for free, even [or especially] if their hosts are in administration ?
     
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    If you read some of the posts on pasoti, notdistant, you will see that some people have no idea why they have recieved these notices and some say yes, they did use facilities at HP but they paid for them and have proof. You do seem to always take the side of the business community!
     
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  8. notDistantGreen

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    I did read that and if these things have been paid for, then the errors are unfortunate but no doubt it will be sorted out without difficulty if they have proof of payment as they claim.

    I don't have much sympathy with those who say they don't know what the charges are for: people usually know full well what they owe and how would anyone have their names & addresses to raise an invoice if something hadn't transpired?

    Guilfoyle said specifically the other day that hysteria and abuse amongst the fans on the internet had jeopardised the chances of saving the club and we don't need another round of that over a few duplicated bills.

    If you'd had the hassle I've had recently sorting out incompetently handled household charges from energy companies, mobile phone operators, cable companies and others, you'd know this sort of thing is hardly rare!
     
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    I think everyone has had those sorts of hassles. A couple of years ago I had £600 taken out of my account by a mobile phone company a few weeks before christmas and took me overdrawn at my bank. It took over 3 months to get the money back. I had no access to any money leading up to christmas and had little sympathy from either the phone company or my bank. I now have a mobile from a different supplier. I still have the same bank but I wage war agaist them in little ways like anything sent to me about their services that have a prepaid envelope are sent back torn up, I screw up any paperwork that I have to send to them and I run a magnet over the acount number on all my cheques when I get new book. My wife says it all very childish and won't make a difference to them, but it makes me feel better!
     
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    If the Administrators were as competent as they make themselves out to be then this incompetence would not occur would it. Guilfoyle unfortunately proves the point of the hysterical fans rather than disproves it.
     
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    Who said people want something for nothing, the people in question have paid and then there are the ones who haven't got a clue as to why they have received invoices ....... why are the administrators chasing the non existent money anyway I thought we were out of administration ?????
     
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    I do have to say that I was a little surprised at notdistant's comments where, whether intentional or not, it did kind of sound like passing judgement from a lofty height on the masses who are all Dellboy characters. The acceptance that it is somehow ok for a business person to invoice an oik and then if it is a mistake pass it off as normal practice. That's as bad as somebody blaming the computer for their mistake. I have heard that one so many times that I now laugh out loud when it is used on me and it is the thought that somebody thinks I'm that stupid I will fall for the line. It is slightly Dickensian to think that the masses only want something for nothing. In my experience it is the well healed business people who would be the first to grab the penny from the beggar's hand rather than the other way around. Part if not all of the money problems around now is greed on the part of business, banking in particular, and the feeding frenzy for bonuses or extra profit. Nothing wrong with making a profit either as long as it is reasonable and not over the top and excessive. From what I have read of this it is not the masses at fault but the Administrators being incompetent. I have no problem with them collecting money due but it would seem they have lost information to allow them to do it properly and ligitimately. It confirms the opinion held by Argyle fans rather than not.
     
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    Notdistant you are Brendan Guilfoyle and I claim my £5.

    I saw this on PASOTI and it does seem to be invoices for services that have already been paid judging by the replies from people saying they have the receipts for whatever they were being invoiced for. Not sure who would want an engagement party at HP but thats by the by.
     
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    Sensible

    It is NOT the administrators issuing the invoices. Record keeping and accounting will have remained within the club throughout the process even though the invoices will have been marked as issued from within an "in administration" entity. It's unlikely Guilfoyle has ever even seen the invoices and the errors lie within the club, although perhaps that's unsurprising given the stresses & strains placed on the staff.

    Gat-Po

    A normal credit control process would be something like this:

    1) An invoice is issued
    2) The customer is allowed a number of days to pay which could be anywhere between 14 and 60. It is certain no action recovery would be taken during this time as the sheer numbers of items which would otherwise be paid without difficulty which would need to be chased unnecessarily would make the whole process uneconomic.
    3) A polite reminder letter would be send out
    4) A month-end statement would be issued in attempt to convert the debt to account-stated basis
    5) A notice of debt collection would be issued - probably 2 months into the process at the earliest
    6) Debt collection would be started, probably 3 months into the process.

    Nobody has said that people have been pressed for money. We're at stage 1, invoices have been issued, that's all. At any stage in this, the debtor can challenge the charge or pay up and the whole thing will stop.

    Issuing an invoice is very far from sending large ugly men out to seize little old ladies' fridges and TV sets. Guilfoyle may have made mistakes but he's not responsible for every ill in the world.

    It's these misunderstandings of how things work that allows me to use the word hysteria.

    PS As PAFC now has a new owner, presumably Brent is now responsible for the day-to-day admin which will have led to these recent invoices, not Guilfoyle, although there's an even smaller chance Brent was actually aware of them than Guilfoyle.
     
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  15. Plymborn

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    So if a person has paid and can prove it, how come an invoice can be issued a second time.
     
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  16. Plymjools

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    Thank you for that Distantgreen but I am the financial & property administrator for a large company so I do know how the credit control procedure works ... I also know the same as you will that its a case of crap into a computer crap out of it ..... so whatever the reasons for people being invoiced wrongly the administrators are splashed over the front page of the Herald !
     
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    Gat-Po

    Precisely, as it stands it's a case of a newspaper and whipping up a story out of nothing and people shouldn't feed the flames - although I understood Pasoti did their best.

    Plymborn

    In error, in error - it appears. Not desirable it's true but as I pointed out, it's the office staff at Home Park who would be keeping the base records, not Guilfoyle himself, administrators don't have armies of back-office staff to parachute into their client companies. I have every sympathy with the staff concerned, who've been working in terrible circumstances, but if what we're told is true, then someone has made errors nevertheless.
     
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    The P & A Partnership will not be allowed to forget Plymouth easily.

    Whoever sent out the invoices seems to have done it on P&A headed paper.........surely Argyle staff wouldn't be allowed to do that.

    I expect P&A will spend four or five months mulling over it before a decision will come forth from it's high command.

    No one seems to know what the billing is for..........and maybe interest will be added on top of it all.

    They should sort it out quickly before an expensive court case comes on their doorstep.

    Maybe the odious ginger del-boy is behind it all..........you know the one I mean, the one who had the money........but never did reveal it.
     
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    You have made the very point I was going to plymborn that the bills are not on PAFC paper but the Administrators. So presumably they just happened to leave a pack of printed paper behind and the PAFC staff just happened to use it. And, if you believe that you will believe Dumbo was a real elephant and could fly. Your original post on this notdistant presumed people had received a service and had not paid and appeared to say they were now wriggling so as not to pay. The PASOTI thread on this subject is quite specific in that not being the case. Not everyone who doesn't live in a boardroom is a Chav. There are plenty of cases of crooks being in boardrooms however littered throughout history. As I always understood responsibility it starts at the top although it is always laid at the lowest point possible when things go wrong. It is their business and if it isn't run properly then it is their responsibility.
     
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    What on earth makes you think that the invoices come from within Argyle it is my understanding that the bank sort code and account number is that of one P & A Administrators of very ill repute lol
     
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