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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Moorsleymountainman, Nov 25, 2011.

  1. Moorsleymountainman

    Moorsleymountainman Active Member

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    Unfortunately he will start 4-5-1 and then with 15 minutes left will go 4-4-2(see). With 12 minutes left will go 4-3-3 and with 10 minutes left will go 4-2-4.:bandit:
     
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  2. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    28% win rate. That's a shocker. Anyone have % of other managers (struggling) in bottom half?
     
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  4. Commachio

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    Thought you'd pick up on that bit...shocking indeed.
     
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  5. monty987

    monty987 Well-Known Member

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    He will bring Ji on with 10 mins left and put him at left back !, and put O Shea up front.
     
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  6. monty987

    monty987 Well-Known Member

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    Well we have won twice since new years day ! not once first of all Wigan 4-2, Stoke 4-0. We should go 3-5-2 as they are going 4-3-3.
     
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  7. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    If Bruce plays this either 1 of 2 things is happening.

    1) He knows he is safe and can play this failing formation regardless of the result, without fear of losing his job.

    2) He just doenst give a **** anymore


    If young Ryan Noble or Ji cant break into a team that is desperate for goals, then both of them may as well piss off in January to clubs they can get a game with, or their careers will disappear up Bruces arsehole tactics and cak management.

    I despair yet again for the umpteenth time this sorry sad year.
     
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  8. blackcatsteve

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    Present clubs, from when they started with them, so some will be Championship Football

    Mancini 59.43%
    SAF 59.35%
    Wenger 57.26%
    Dalglish 54.7% (just this spell, previous spell was 60.87%)
    AVB 52.63% (only this season)
    Lambert 52.21%
    Redknapp 49.69%
    Rodgers 48.53%
    Warnock 44%
    Moyes 41.59%
    McCarthy 40%
    Pardew 39.47%
    Pulis 39.3%
    Hodgson 38.46%
    Jol 36% (this season only)
    Coyle 34.52%
    Bruce 29.9%
    McLeish 28.57 (this season only)
    Martinez 24%
    Kean 18.18%

    Doesnt make great reading does it.
     
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  9. Moorsleymountainman

    Moorsleymountainman Active Member

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    Cheers for that BCS. Interesting indeed. Looking at Kean (pay rise) and Martinez (unsackable according to Whelan) Bruce has got to be easy money in the sack race. Hasn't he??
     
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  10. blackcatsteve

    blackcatsteve Well-Known Member

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    btw that includes Europe as well, was looking at it and thinking Jol with 2 wins is on 36% wtf, but they have played 25 games already and won 9 of them.
     
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  11. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Just done this quickly and they are overall career stats. I have included current clubs and other EPL clubs in brackets to give some balance. In order top to bottom

    Jol 48% (45% Spurs & 36% Fulham)
    Hodgson 43% (38% WBA, 42% Liverpool, 39% Fulham & 35% Blackburn)
    Coyle 43% (35% Bolton)
    McCarthy 40% (40% Wolves & 42% for us which surprised me but includes championship of course)
    Martinez 38% (24% Wigan)
    Bruce 36% (35% Wigan, 37% B'ham -inc championship & 29% Sunderland)
    Kean 19% (19% Blackburn)


    Martin O Neill btw, for all you doubters is overall 53% win ratio (Celtic 75%, Norwich 45%, Leicester 38%, Villa 42% and Wycombe 46%)
    Even taking out the Celtic stats for all you cynics, his overall ratio is 43% and his Villa alone stats are 42% in 192 games. However, as Neil Lennon will testify, winning in Scotland isnt that easy and O Neill took over a Celtic team that had just finished 20 points behind Rangers that season. His record in the next 5 seasons was 3 titles (in his first 3 years) and twice runners up, 3 FA Cups, 3 league Cups (not to mention twice being runners up) and UEFA Cup runners up.

    Now, I defy anyone to say that he wouldnt improve us as a club in the League and potentially some good cup runs which are his speciality.
     
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  12. The Mackem of Oz

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    If only you ran the club...

    I'm a stats man and if i was looking at that I would sack Bruce. How can you have a manager with a 29% win rate. That is dreadful..
     
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  13. Moorsleymountainman

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    Saturday is D Day. Lose (Can't see it tbh) or draw (Wigan will come for this) and it's surely over.
    Latest odds say Bruce 4/1 (after Kean and Martinez) to be first premier league manager to go. He will be odds on if we don't win.
     
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  14. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    AJ - In 97 games we have won 29; drawn 28 and lost a staggering 40 games - thats 41% of his games are lost. We have only gained points in 39% of the games he has been involved in at an average of 1.18 points per game. At that average we can expect about another 30/31 points which will give us 42 or 43 points?

    Will that be enough? Who knows but then you can always have fun with stats. What I do believe 100% is that under Martin O Neill, we would be sooo much better imo.
     
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  15. HorsleyHillCat

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    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Errrrrr.........no. Lol
     
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  17. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    I honestly think you could do a better job Cest
     
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  18. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    No I'd probably make Ricky Sbragia look like Bill Shankly to be fair but I can still have my opinions. I know **** all about fixing cars but I'm a damned good driver and I know a good car form a bad one.

    Just because none of us have played to the level of Bruce or managed a football team at that level doesnt preclude us from knowing what a bag of ****e looks like when we see it.

    That said, if Ellis fancies lavishing me with a 3 year contract at £2m pa I'd happily take the job and risk the wrath of you all on here.


    'Cest out the fat heeded twat' Lol
     
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  19. Black Cat Kiwi

    Black Cat Kiwi Well-Known Member

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    I read it as Brucie going for a four two win. But hey someones got to live in hope
     
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