Ok had a bit of a discussion on the transfer rumour thread and didn't think it was the correct place to discuss the pro's and con's of the Gaston signing. I made a point that i never really knew much about Gaston before the olympics same as i know nothing about Astori. I agree that Gaston is looks a great player and looks to have the potential to be world class. I am questioning him because as of yet hes not made me go ****ing hell that was amazing i am so glad we signed Gaston rather than concentrating our efforts on a top defender. People replied to me on the transfer thread by saying some of the passes and play he sets up are so advanced that our other players around him simply arn't good enough to be able to make a run the pass warrants. If this is the case then what was the point of buying him as a pass good or bad that ends up with the oposition is the same thing. I love the fact we can sign players of Gaston's pedigree i just don't think it should be done in priority to areas of the team that really need attention. Still here's hoping we sign Astori as he might be good enough to read a Gaston pass although i hope he's better at keeping goals out than scoring them.
I am really looking forward to Ramirez against Villa. He tore them apart at St Marys and hopefully can do so again.
Gaston's been good but there's been a lot of moments where he tries to do something special and it doesn't quite come off. Once everything starts to click I think we'll see the £12 million well spent.
I really do not get what you want from the guy, I do not think he is the type of player that will weave through 5 players before scoring from 30 yards with a rocket in the top corner. For me he is a link player between midfield and attack. Maybe some people are expecting him to be a world beater because of his pricetag- which is alot of money for us but a small investment for other clubs. He has quality without doubt and his value will only increase so his purchase will potentially benifit the club in 2 ways. I think we have to look more at the players around him, if he was playing for the likes of City or even Arse then you have been watching MOTD and thinking why cant we sign players like him.
I think the thing to bear in mind is that his wages are not too far off what our top earners would've been on beforehand. It may have been a steep outlay in the summer, but over time he will prove to be cheaper than other players who would've been on higher wages (plus with a ton of bonuses no doubt thrown in). I think we can all agree that he will improve, and when he does the whole of Europe will be in for him. It is highly likely that, if he was sold, he would go for much more than the £12m we spent on him.
To some extent that's because the other players (Lallana excepted) don't read the game as well as he does. Once he clicks with the players around him, we'll see some magic I reckon.
That's exactly the point - it's not a case of waiting for Gaston to improve, it's more that the rest of the team have to play up to the level he is driving them towards. If we need to sign a fast winger or striker to get on the end of his though balls, then so be it, but if we don't, then the players will have already will have to learn to read what he is trying to get them to do. As Archers says, Adam is probably already there, but the others need to click with him.
Exactly, who thinks its a good idea to buy foreigners? We obviously need to sign Sturridge, Downing, Carroll and Henderson, that would be approx £60m VERY well spent. Foreigners are where we went wrong last time, everyone knows that.
this one's not really taking off like pre season saint gaston speculation. didnt that end up getting about 50,000 threads
Good thing too, it's rare that anyone manages that more than once or twice a season. Gaston doesn't need a team of world beaters around him, just willing runners and it's up to Adkins to work on tactics that get them there. Also the scouting and recruitment people who source suitable new players.
I don't ever remember saying 12 million was to much to pay nore have i said it was a bad investment i was just questioning based on performances to date and our current league position if it was correct to pin all our transfer energy on signing him. If we were to get relegated which i am thinking is a 50/50 chance would it be wrong to look back to august and say the club were wrong to spend so much time and effort signing him rather than concentrating on a cb and lb, i know we got a cb but it wasn't untill the end of the transfer window and by the time he had settled in it might well of been to late. I honestly think he's going to be an amazing player but it probably won't be for us. Is it possible that a player can be too good for a team? Anyway Gaston is here now lets hope the rest of the players can raise their games to to read his passes and i'm sure we'll be storming up the table quicker than anything.
Without Gaston, I think we'd be struggling to acclimatise to the PL. These linkup players don't come cheap, but they let teams evolve a better style of football. If we'd signed defenders instead, I think we'd struggle with creating goals and retaining the football. With Gaston in the hole, we comfortably beat Villa, QPR and Newcastle and were unlucky not to beat Arsenal. All poor teams on the day admittedly, but Gaston played an important role in all 4 games. He'll be the difference between us and getting relegated, of that I'm confident.
Its a good point and i really hope your right. Ball retention is as important as creating chances and scoring goals so in this aspect it is good to have someone of his ability. I noticed on another thread someone said that he might have more of an impact with a pacier cf playing with him and although dropping rickie isn't really an option is it worth risking Gaston against chelsea with mayuka playing the forward role?
Ramirez scored a nice goal by making a run at the right time and, although it didn't stand, his turn for his second goal was sublime. I also like his temperament...he fits in well.
Forget the fee, forget the salary. Simple, basic point. Gaston Ramirez is the most talented footballer we have seen at our club for a long time. If you can't see this, then I will have to slot you into the box of "typical Premier League/Football League fan". Forget what he has done to affect games and focus on his ability; he is quality. He will play for a top side soon. I'm going to enjoy him while we have him.
You miss my point completely but you always seem to. I have pretty much already said what you just said. Individually he will be amazing no doubt.
Yes, I always miss your point... please explain then, unless you are harpening on again about why we didn't spend more on defenders like you did all through Spetember and october. And actually, you disagree with me a little when you raised the benefits of Lallana on the other thread. I said that I have never doubted Lallana, just I think that Ramirez is a more talented footballer.... just. Who was it that raised any doubt at all on the subject of Ramirez?
Flt I'm gonna say this for the 15th time please read it carefully maybe twice so it goes in. I believe gaston is a good player and one day has the potential to be world class. I don't think this will happen at Southampton and as good as he his we are still IMO going to be relying on there being 3 worse teams than us at the end of the season. Now I don't care about money spent but if we had put the time and effort in getting a couple of defenders as we did in getting gaston then I personally think we would be higher up in the league.
