Talk of his loan being ended soon and him going to Inter on loan. Gotta say, Rogers has messed this loan opportunity big time. In games where Allen clearly looked tired and out of form, Sahin to not even be considered was a bad mistake He then came out to say he wanted to play in the Lucas role, and when Lucas was injured should of been given the chance, but never was. End of the season, if we decide to keep him on loan, we have no chance of buying him back and could ruin our relationship with Real, in not bothering to even play him.
He always seemed too lightweight in the league, Henderson, Allen & Lucas are al better equipped. this was found out early and dealt with. He was ok in the europa league but now is the right time to send him back if it saves us the £3m loan fee
He was played out of position and was hardly played in the Premier League, so he hasn't been given a massive chance.
At the end of the day he didn't perform in some of the games he has played in, he then dropped out of favour. He won't stay with us after this loan spell lets hope this isn't a mistake as he was a very good player.
I do wonder how this was a mistake? A player not deemed good enough to be first choice for the team that owns him is loaned out, giving him an opportunity to impress his own team & possible buyers (like us) and apparently doesn't even do enough in training to oust players who have dropped in form. Now maybe others have watched him in training and he's always outstanding leading to this view that BR is so badly mistaken. If so please tell us this is the case. Otherwise I'll go with trusting the manager in that he is seeing someone that can't even give an under performing Allen the break the same manager stated he badly needed. I remember a debate on here about the pro's & con's of loan deals when we got Sahin. Ironically it was along the lines of "what if he's brilliant and he goes back to his club" that would be a con. Well this is a pro, he's been lightweight in his admittedly limited appearances & obviously not standing out in training. At least we didn't buy him for 18-20 million......
I said before we brought him in this is the inherent gamble with loan players who think they are better than your club. Real farmed him out here when he wanted to stay. In that scenario you either get a guy who'll fight to show his owner club just how good he is or you get a sulker who cares little for the fortunes of the loan club. I know for a fact Sahin is a talented player but he's shown bugger all of that and not half the desire on the pitch as he could and should have. At the end of the day what should BR have done though? Give a player who isn't going to be at Anfield past the summer more games or give valuable experience to Allen, Shelvey and Hendo who will be here long after Sahin's gone?
for me i agree with the sentiment that he was just lightweight. The thing is i do not think he really committed to the idea of english football. A loan meant he had an out so someone like say modric had to adapt but he can go off whereever in may anyway. If we can save cash by letting him stuff off and then henderson and shelvey can at least keep playing and trying to develop. the guy is easily worth 20mil but he is doing an aquilani.. is only half hearted.
Not officially but I can't see him wanting to stay, he isn't getting a game and I'm sure he's looking to get first team footy after warming RM's bench.
I think it could only be our loss if he leaves. He is a very creative player that's was not given enough opportunities. He couldn't have won the Bundesliga 'player of the year' if he was crap and it's probably the third best league. Madrid farming him out does not mean he was sh*te, it's just that expectations are too big there, they want players to perform from day 1 or it's the bench. Modric seems to be experiencing it now, Robben, sneijder, Van der vaart...all world class players that were pushed out of Madrid He is obviously going to take some time to adapt to the PL but he was never given the proper chance. only 7 games and didn't even finish one, i think it's a bit harsh to come to conclusions at this stage. BR kept playing him in a position he has never played before, as an AMC. We all know how he forces players into his system rather trying to get the best out of the players he has. I really hope he is given a proper run in the 2nd half as a deep playmaker, i.m.o he is probably the most creative player we have right now, i've been following the Bundesliga for long and i've seen enough of him so i clearly know what i'm talking. And someone mentioned of him being lightweight, so what exactly would you be calling Allen then?
I don't get where all this "he's not impressed" stuff is coming from. Real Madrid were in the position where they were stacked with DM's. Alonso was not expected to play in the form he did last season. He was supposed to give more time to Sahin, but Sahin got injured. To counter this risk they bought Modric who cannot be used as backup, leaving Sahin on the bench. Believe me, Madrid has high hopes for Sahin. He is their future DM. So why BR decided to force him into an attacking position is beyond me. I suspect it was another one of his little experiments, like Shelvey as a striker and Downing as a left back. It makes you look shrewd tactically and the player look **** (to be fair Downing is pretty **** anyway). Sahin is still relatively young. He will get better (his position peaks at around 30). Allen on the other hand has been guaranteed a starting spot despite being crap for about 6 or 7 games. Allen is obviously the more offensive minded of the two yet he's switched their roles. Sahin has more vision in his little finger than Allen does in his entire body. Remember the WBA game? Sahin decided to stay back, set up attacks, and THEN run forward. As we saw he was fantastic. I hope we keep him. I hope BR sees that Allen and Sahin must be switched, but somehow I doubt he will. Instead he'll play him in the wrong position and when he doesn't impress, he'll collect praise for being smart to only bring him on loan.
Don't think he's missed out. Seen very little to suggest paying a substancial fee would be money well spent - too lightweight. Rodgers obviously doesn't rate him either - and after all that is part of his job.
Seems too lightweight to play in his preferred position, and not suited to playing further up the field. I'm also inclined to think that his style of play doesn't suit BR's philosophy. He'd be better suited at Rafa's Chelsea All in all, he wouldn't be much of a loss. May as well let him go if we can replace him with someone that will prove to be more useful to us.
Two sides to this, we all rated him when he came on loan but he was erratic sometimes good sometimes not so, yes he was played out of position so that may have been the reason. The problem is if he stays he wants to play in the Lucas position so his games will be limited. Does he want to stay and fight for a place? If yes then I would welcome the move as he is talented and just may need more time to settle. If he stays he needs to be patient and understand that he will need to battle for a place. Another factor is going to be his price, he hasn't been great and therefore we don't want to risk a big transfer fee.
He should be partnering Lucas and keeping Allen miles away from the team, sadly Rodgers loves Allen for doing nothing game after game.
Allens form has dropped but I've seen enough over the last few seasons to be confident that he will be good for us. Time will tell.
I remember the lad at Dortmund, and he had great feet and passing, top left foot, but looked slow as ****. He seemed to need a split second too long to make decisions on top of that, which he got away with at Dortmund as they were terrorising teams at the time. I don't think he's a great player, he's a very tidy one, but he won't win you games. Liverpool need to sign a couple of matchwinners to even begin to get back to the level you lads rightly expect, I think you'll all admit that several of the players even in your first 11 don't fit in with the historical grandness of Liverpool FC.
