Not a fan of Savage myself but what is your take on this......... Manchester United must spend £200m if they are to rebuild their squad to the standard that once made sides visiting Old Trafford feel helpless. United lost for the third time in a row with defeat at Sunderland on Tuesday and I think as many as 12 of the 27 players who regularly feature for them are now on borrowed time. The players are getting shot at by people like me, but they should look at themselves. Are they running hard enough? Are they tackling hard enough? Are they putting the same effort in as they did for Sir Alex Ferguson? These are the questions I'd like to ask them, because they do not seem to be. The fear factor I had to deal with at Old Trafford when the likes of Roy Keane, Paul Scholes and David Beckham were lining up for United has gone but I think a dozen players should make way as part of the rebuilding job manager David Moyes faces. Good goalkeepers There were question marks at first about David De Gea but he has matured into a fantastic Premier League goalkeeper. Understudy Anders Lindegaard is a good back-up. Both should stay. Changes at the back Chris Smalling: I am not convinced by him. His passing is not good enough for a Manchester United player. He should go. Did you know? Smalling has given the ball away seven times per game on average this season and his pass completion rate stands at 80%. Only Rafael (76%) fares worse among United's defenders. Alexander Buttner: I'm surprised he is there in the first place. He is not good enough to be a Manchester United player and has not played enough games for that reason. Did you know? Since joining Manchester United at the beginning of last season, Buttner has completed just two of his 25 open crosses in the Premier League. Fabio: He is not as good as his brother Rafael. He did not do it at QPR, so what chance has he got of doing it at a club like Manchester United? Not at the level he needs to be at and has to go. Did you know? Fabio has made only nine Premier League starts for Manchester United since joining the club in 2008. Rio Ferdinand: He has been one of the best central defenders in the Premier League and a great servant for Manchester United, but injuries and age have caught up with him. There has to be a role for him at the club, but not as a starting member of the first team. I would suggest he joins the coaching staff. Did you know? United have won only 29% of their league games with Ferdinand in the side this season, compared to 62% without him. Who stays? Nemanja Vidic can help blood a young centre-half despite his best days being behind him, while Patrice Evra's experience remains an asset, though defensively he is vulnerable. Rafael and Jonny Evans are in good shape, but Phil Jones must settle into one position soon if he is to fulfil his potential. please log in to view this image A midfield overhaul Marouane Fellaini: I am not sure what his best position is. He is not good enough to play for United in the middle of the park and not quick enough or dynamic enough to play off the front. He should go. Did you know? The Belgian has not scored or provided an assist in his past 18 Premier League appearances (eight for United, 10 for Everton), last scoring against Manchester City in March 2013. Anderson: They paid a lot of money for him back in 2007, but the Brazilian has played just four league games this season. In my view, he has not recovered from the injuries he has suffered and cannot hold down a regular first-team place, so he should go. Did you know? Since the start of last season, Anderson has only played 21 times for United (979 minutes). He has completed 90 minutes once in that time (the 5-5 draw with West Brom at the end of last season). Ryan Giggs: The best Premier League player ever, but if they are going to rely on a 41-year-old to produce the goods next season, it does not say a lot for the rest of the midfielders. He will stay on as a coach and possibly be the next manager, but, playing-wise, he should go. Did you know? The United veteran has created just seven chances in nine league games this season and has no assists. Nani: I'm surprised he got a new five-year contract. He has not scored or created a goal in eight league games this season. He's just too inconsistent and should go. Did you know? Only five players (Wayne Rooney, Cesc Fabregas, Ashley Young, Robin van Persie and Steven Gerrard) have produced more assists than Nani since he moved to the Premier League in 2007 (43). Ashley Young: At times, he looks great and scores some great goals, but he's only completed one league game this season. That says to me he is inconsistent, so what is he in the team for? To produce goals? He has not been doing that enough, so he should go. Did you know? Despite being third on the list of Premier League assists since 2007-08, Young is yet to register one this season, creating only eight chances in 10 appearances. Tom Cleverley: Has played in all but four of United's league games this season, but I am not sure what he contributes. Does he pass it well? Does he score goals? Does he tackle? What does he actually do? He plays for England and I think he is good, but I am not sure what he contributes and, for me, is not a Manchester United player. Did you know? In the Premier League, 22 midfielders have made 900 passes this season. Six are yet to produce an assist: Mile Jedinak, Jose Canas, Gary Medel, Michael Carrick, Lucas and Cleverley. Antonio Valencia: I was torn on this one. I am not sure he has ever recovered from his injuries. He had a blistering yard of pace in the past, but I think he has lost it and does not get around the full-back enough. He should go. Did you know? Only three players (Stewart Downing, Morgan Amalfitano and Ahmed Elmohamady) have completed more open crosses in the Premier League this season than Valencia (16). Who stays: Michael Carrick's consistency makes him indispensible in this current squad. Darren Fletcher is a quality player if he has overcome his health issues and I want to see what Shinji Kagawa can do, as he is proven at a top club in Borussia Dortmund. Wilfried Zaha should be allowed to prove he belongs at the top level, while Adnan Januzaj clearly does. A tweak in attack Javier Hernandez: Does not perform well consistently enough when he starts games. He is a good impact player but is no Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. Did you know? Though he scored in the FA Cup defeat by Swansea, Hernandez has not netted in his past eight Premier League games, his longest drought at the club. Who stays: Strikers Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie are the only world-class players in the United squad, while Danny Welbeck offers an alternative option.
In conclusion United's slide boils down to the loss of Sir Alex Ferguson's genius more than the shortcomings of new boss Moyes. The players they currently have are not bad players, they are just not United players. For Ferguson to win the league with this squad last season shows just how special he was. n the past, the average players at Manchester United had world-class ones to pull them along. Beckham, Keane, Scholes and Eric Cantona got the average players into positions to win league titles. Some will now question Moyes, but I'd be questioning myself if I was a player in that dressing room. It will take an awful lot of money to rebuild this United squad, but I still think the former Everton manager is the one who can do it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25665649
Much Better than that copy and paste fellas thread, kind of obvious that we need a bit of an overhaul and team rebuild.
When I copy & paste I do it with style.........well maybe not style but highlighted sections and pics.
Squad is not that bad. Just all of a sudden you have an average manager. Jose or alex would get a trophy out of that squad this season
I don't see how he can get a Giggs for being 40 and getting in the team, showing how poor the midfield is (I agree with that point btw, I'd be embarrassed that Man Utd has just become a sentimental club now), yet then say "Zaha needs to be given a chance to see if he's good enough", coincided with "It's not Moyes' fault, it's the players"... 1) Giggs is well past it. To be fair, though, this was a criticism of early season... he's started f*** all recently and barely makes a sub appearance. 2) Zaha is utterly awful. He's just pacey, that's it. He's a horrible version of Ashley Young, who's already a horrible version of Aaron Lennon, who himself is a horrible version of any decent winger to have ever played the game. He ain't getting in the team because it's obvious. Moyes isn't holding him back! 3) I do think Moyes has been left with a less than adequate squad, and I've read lots of Man Utd opinion on here, and agree that some of the your suggestions would have fitted neater, re-the timing of Ferguson's retirement, the appointment of a new Chief Exec etc. A whole re-shuffle has been swept in, instant results are hard to demand. I think Moyes deserves more time. Ferguson was a complete disaster in his first season, Moyes isn't that thus far. Just a trifle disappointing.
I actually think the three midfielders savage suggested to keep could make a good central trio but would obviously mean a shift in formation for Man Utd, maybe a 433/4231 system: De Gea Rafeal - Jones - Vidic - Evra Carrick - Fletcher Kagawa Valencia - - - - - - - - - Rooney RvP IMO, that team is a very good side for you guys given the right sort of tactics. Ie, don't sit back. Press the ball and attack teams. This is not a formation or tactic you are likely to see under Moyes though. Obviously, a couple of those players could be improved on too though such as Valencia (who I rate) and Fletcher (who I hope recovers but will never be the same IMO) and Jones (just don't rate him). #seriouspost
Almost spot-on, even though Savage is an arrogant bullshitter most of the time. I think Fletcher is the only genuine box to box in the team, and he's looked sharp since he's been back. I agree on Welbeck too. Though I'd like to see Fellaini given more time, we couldn't have bought him for hype alone.
To reply to an obvious ****ing wumming post from a ******ed scouser. Savage is a **** self promoting pundit who thinks he is better than he is. Of the players he picks to be out, I would say: Anderson: as he has hardly delivered in the last few years. If he didn't do it under Fergie, he won't do it under Moyes for sure. Nani: he must be the classical 'might deliver today' player of the premiership. Talented but delivered too rarely. Always threatened to be a top class player but not enough. He is the type of player who managers are **** scared to sell to another club just in case he clicks and deliver there. Giggs: should retire. Will be seen as a noose round Moyes neck and may hinder the creation of a new team. Fabio's/Rafael: both better at attacking than defending. Very mobile but Rash and lose their heads on many occasions. Especially in big matches. Would replace them if similar types available. Rio: great classy and cool defender but looks on his way down as age catches up on him. Evra: can still do the job IMO. Another season but phased out with a younger LB Buttner: simply not good enough. Too many mistakes. Crosses not accurate enough. I would reassess Kagawa , young, fletcher, Hernandez. They may not deliver (or deliver even less ) under Moyes. The question is whether a team can be reformed under Moyes. It is too early to say. The same players playing under a different manager to SAF is another team. That is why it is going to get much worse before it gets better. *The media's **** about this record and that being lost by Moyes *(e.g *three losses in a row for 15 or 25 years being broken etc) is based purely on the genius of ferguson if one bothers enough to think about it. He has been around for 26 years and therefore has had time to create these 'records'. If he were there like any other manager for <10 years, then we would have records of 5-10 years being broken Of course it will take huge amounts of money to rebuild. The time it takes will depend on the ****ing greedy yank bastards realising that they need to invest to accumulate and getting rid of a **** incompetent CEO. The owners grabbed an even bigger fortune on the back of Fergie and his miserly purchases. It remains to be seen how quickly they realise that they have to dig ****ing deep.
I must say for comedy value only you don't disappoint Christine Nani is ****ing ****e, I wouldn't want him anywhere near my team, not even on a free transfer. And just think recently Moyes gave him a new contract - Moyes
