Rob Edwards - Watford

[FellTop]

Sorry but they don’t. Not when a manager is doing well. And those managers who aren’t normally get a payoff. I wish we’d appointed someone the day after Johnson was sacked. The “when clubs don’t like their performance” part us exactly right. 99% of sackings are down to a manager failing at their job. It’s not exactly treating a manager like garbage when they’re relegating a side which should stay up and getting paid off when they’re sacked

Even at this level their contracts have to be paid up on sacking. It’s not millions but it’s a lot more than I’d get if I was failing.

We are going to have to disagree I suspect. Of course clubs dont when managers are doing well, in the main at least. But when they arent, or in a lot of cases when owners dont think they are doing well, when in reality they are doing as well as owners allow them to. There are loads of examples of it - Warnock will tell you Boro were talking to Wilder in the week leading up to his sacking and he was in the day after Warnock left. Plenty of others like it. My point is clubs cant play the woe is me card when the boot is on the other foot, as is the case with Edwards, which is what FGR have done.

 

[Southern A]

its interesting that the Hibs job seems to be coming down to Lee Johnson vs Roy Keane

so glad we ended up with Neil

 

[FellTop]

its interesting that the Hibs job seems to be coming down to Lee Johnson vs Roy Keane

so glad we ended up with Neil

Johnson might do well with them. Didnt he play in Scotland?

The funny thing about Hibs would be knowing what success was.

 

[Saf]

Other than money, you wonder why any manager takes that job. You know you are going to be out of work in less than a year

It's the one job in English football where regardless of previous results as soon as the team performance dips, the manager is shown the door. He should have served another season, in league one, with Forest Green and then looked at his options. He'll regret this, one day.

 

[The Norton Cat]

We are going to have to disagree I suspect. Of course clubs dont when managers are doing well, in the main at least. But when they arent, or in a lot of cases when owners dont think they are doing well, when in reality they are doing as well as owners allow them to. There are loads of examples of it - Warnock will tell you Boro were talking to Wilder in the week leading up to his sacking and he was in the day after Warnock left. Plenty of others like it. My point is clubs cant play the woe is me card when the boot is on the other foot, as is the case with Edwards, which is what FGR have done.

I've tried hinting at this before. Fans are almost never aware of circumstances behind the scenes and those circumstances have a huge impact on a manager's performance. I know of circumstances where managers have been doing a remarkable job under one set of circumstances but a chairman panics, brings in a new manager but changes the behind the scenes circumstances. In reality, just changing the circumstances would have had the same result. But the first manager takes a hit to his reputation while the second one appears to be a hero. Clubs treat managers appallingly.

 

[TopCat.]

It's the one job in English football where regardless of previous results as soon as the team performance dips, the manager is shown the door. He should have served another season, in league one, with Forest Green and then looked at his options. He'll regret this, one day.

He'll probably be on 10 times was he was a FGR. This contract will probably set him for life

 

[clockstander]

Good luck to Hibs is all I can say.

 

[marcusblackcat]

We are going to have to disagree I suspect. Of course clubs dont when managers are doing well, in the main at least. But when they arent, or in a lot of cases when owners dont think they are doing well, when in reality they are doing as well as owners allow them to. There are loads of examples of it - Warnock will tell you Boro were talking to Wilder in the week leading up to his sacking and he was in the day after Warnock left. Plenty of others like it. My point is clubs cant play the woe is me card when the boot is on the other foot, as is the case with Edwards, which is what FGR have done.

I think we’re seeing it differently though. I see it as a kick in the teeth for the fans. I also don’t see it as the boot on the other foot. A manager shouldn’t “sack” a club after a successful season. Should leave with grace and dignity. Guess it’s easy from where I’m sat.

I get that managers, like Warnock, get **** on, but Warnock was failing at Boro and Wilder has proven that (would’ve loved him here!!)

Managers don’t really get sacked without reason (except at Watford, ironically). Normally it’s because they’re failing. If they’re failing, the club should look at other options whilst weighing up the sacking. Good business sense really. I wish we had!

A club will not sack a manager when they’re winning the league. A manager may receive better offers however. I’d just want a manager who has been a relative success to his club to show a bit of respect to them.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I think we’re seeing it differently though. I see it as a kick in the teeth for the fans. I also don’t see it as the boot on the other foot. A manager shouldn’t “sack” a club after a successful season. Should leave with grace and dignity. Guess it’s easy from where I’m sat.

I get that managers, like Warnock, get **** on, but Warnock was failing at Boro and Wilder has proven that (would’ve loved him here!!)

Managers don’t really get sacked without reason (except at Watford, ironically). Normally it’s because they’re failing. If they’re failing, the club should look at other options whilst weighing up the sacking. Good business sense really. I wish we had!

A club will not sack a manager when they’re winning the league. A manager may receive better offers however. I’d just want a manager who has been a relative success to his club to show a bit of respect to them.

I don't think that's true. See my previous comments about behind the scenes circumstances. I think a good proportion of managers are sacked because a chairman a) panics that his goals aren't going to be achieved; b) wants to be seen to be doing something proactive (when he could do something else proactive but less publicly visible); or, c) wants to prevent himself from facing criticism from the fan base. Or a combination of all three. The manager is always the fall guy when a lot of what happens is beyond his control.

 

[FellTop]

I think we’re seeing it differently though. I see it as a kick in the teeth for the fans. I also don’t see it as the boot on the other foot. A manager shouldn’t “sack” a club after a successful season. Should leave with grace and dignity. Guess it’s easy from where I’m sat.

I get that managers, like Warnock, get **** on, but Warnock was failing at Boro and Wilder has proven that (would’ve loved him here!!)

Managers don’t really get sacked without reason (except at Watford, ironically). Normally it’s because they’re failing. If they’re failing, the club should look at other options whilst weighing up the sacking. Good business sense really. I wish we had!

A club will not sack a manager when they’re winning the league. A manager may receive better offers however. I’d just want a manager who has been a relative success to his club to show a bit of respect to them.

Fair point mate. The respect bit I get and managers should ideally do that. Hopefully when it dies down Edwards does that. Maybe similar to what Johnson did after leaving here, that was a brilliant bit of respect he showed to us and the club.

I also agree on the without reason bit. My argument there is I think a lot of the time the people applying the reason are not qualified to do so. The same people who appoint managers at football clubs are generally not qualified to do so. I have made a lengthy point on that elsewhere so wont repeat myself again. Suffice to say from my perspective a significant amount of the time managers are sacked because it is easy, is done without proper analysis, and the people in the role of hiring and firing rinse and repeat the process that has just failed them. It used to be the case that conventional wisdom was managers needed 3 years to establish relative success, and that was before the advent of the constraining transfer windows. Now we seem to expect it in a year or less.

 

[SAFCDRUM]

He'll probably be on 10 times was he was a FGR. This contract will probably set him for life

Nail on the head. For the sake of your family/future some jobs can't be turned down.

 

[Saf]

Johnson might do well with them. Didnt he play in Scotland?

The funny thing about Hibs would be knowing what success was.

The Scottish League is currently the weakest it's ever been in my lifetime. If there was ever a time to break the top two, it is now.

Success at Hibs would be European qualification. Jack Ross won a trophy with them and he's now turning down Scottish clubs as he wants another crack at English football.

 

[Saf]

Nail on the head. For the sake of your family/future some jobs can't be turned down.

I don't agree with this. He's a very promising manager and he should have backed his ability, grew into the game and he'd have probably had a long career. He's now pretty much gone all in. I hope it works out for his sake.