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The Mighty Thor said:
Save for Kenny Dalglish and Graeme Souness I cannot think of any other players who were that successful when they went to manage those teams for which they played.
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Souness was a terrible manager and was responsible for Liverpool losing their place at the top of the English game. He transformed Liverpool from a powerhouse into a team that was dismantled and unable to compete.
 
Just in case things weren't funny enough tonight, West Ham have lost a penalty shoot-out to Sheffield United 5-4 at Upton Park.
 
"I think perhaps there's a lesson here ie never take on a coach after he's managed a national team."

The lesson here is not to expect a manager who has spent a fair bit of pre-season involved in
managing a WC team, to turn up and immediately shape a squad of players he is not familiar
with (or vice-versa) , into exactly what Fergie had when he quit,
 
The lesson here is.....

Lets all laugh at Utd, heartily. This last season and a bit has been a long time coming and is thoroughly deserved <ok>
 
Milk said:
Souness was a terrible manager and was responsible for Liverpool losing their place at the top of the English game. He transformed Liverpool from a powerhouse into a team that was dismantled and unable to compete.
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For me, Souness's talks a lot of sense tactically. But, I can't visualise him as being a successful man manager. More a, my way or the highway sort. If you don't possess good man management skills, you won't succeed with today's multi-millionaire Prima donas.
 
I think it's one thing that unites all football fans the demise of Man United Spurm!
Anyway where's Lidl's? He may as well stop the charade of being a United fan now, we all know he's a Spurs fan anyway.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
For me, Souness's talks a lot of sense tactically. But, I can't visualise him as being a successful man manager. More a, my way or the highway sort. If you don't possess good man management skills, you won't succeed with today's multi-millionaire Prima donas.
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Souness himself says the reason he didn't do very well with Liverpool is that the players didn't have the motivation to learn his disciplinarian ways. They were used to have the more motivational Dalglish- so getting strict stingy Souness was a shock to them.


Maybe he's right, he didn't do too well in the transfer market though.
 
Milk said:
Souness himself says the reason he didn't do very well with Liverpool is that the players didn't have the motivation to learn his disciplinarian ways. They were used to have the more motivational Dalglish- so getting strict stingy Souness was a shock to them.


Maybe he's right, he didn't do too well in the transfer market though.
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I like his choice of words. "Couldn't be motivated" as in couldn't be arsed - **** you pal, etc?
 
"We wont go out to West Ham this year"

That PL loss has traumatised them.
The Spanners would rather exit a cup tournament before Spurs get involved than face
the likelihood that they will have the "treble" done to them.
 
MK Dons 4
Man Utd 0

Let me just repeat that

MK Dons 4
Man Utd 0

The Mighty Thor said:
Save for Kenny Dalglish and Graeme Souness I cannot think of any other players who were that successful when they went to manage those teams for which they played. Giggs an excellent player but he's no Dalglish as a coach. They're calling for LVG to be replaced by Giggs already on the Utd board but he is not the answer. Before Ferguson Utd were struggling at second bottom and so here is history repeating itself.
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Ever hear of this bloke named Bill Nicholson?
 
Milk said:
And I bet you're glad that he didn't!
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I was about to say, that looks like a bullet dodged. It's early doors, but it would figure if we finally got the right coach only due to the wrong coach turning us down.

Though anyone who could get Man U into seventh might not have been such a bad coach either.
 
redwhiteandermblue said:
I was about to say, that looks like a bullet dodged. It's early doors, but it would figure if we finally got the right coach only due to the wrong coach turning us down.

Though anyone who could get Man U into seventh might not have been such a bad coach either.
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LVG's start at Manure is doing Moyes' tarnished reputation the world of good. I can see him returning to a biggish club much sooner now. I was saying for years that Ferguson's last Man United team was far greater than the sum of its parts, finally the media are having to come to terms with that fact now too after 20 years of adulation.

The most worrying thing is that the Man United hierarchy seem to have bought into the lies that the media have been spinning for the last five years. The biggest lie of all being their apparently world class upcoming defenders, in Jones, Smalling and Rafael and Evans. I look around the league and see most clubs signing defenders who are better than those: Dawson, Caulker and even Hangeland would all have improved United in their current state, for god's sake!

The Di Maria signing appears to me to be totally unnecessary and paying over the odds. They could have bought two top class centre backs and a defensive midfielder for that kind of money, the areas of the team which actually need addressing.
 
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