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Realistic Changes.

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  1. City1904

    City1904 Well-Known Member

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    It is clear that Nick Barmby is going to stick with the 4-2-3-1 for the foreseeable future, and no doubt for the long term also. Yet there is no doubt that Nick Barmby is going to be in job come next August unless we lose every single game and then lose the first ten of the next season. So what changes do people actually want for this season? As you might aswell suggest play Simpson, Oli and Garcia, when two of those don't want to be here, and one fo them hasn't got a look in for some reason so far i doubt they will for the rest of the season.

    Personally i would look at giving King some time through the middle, as i think he has the pace to play on the shoulder of the last man, and he was brought in as a striker so i am sure he deserves a chance up there. I would play Stewart on the right and Brady on the left and basically instead of passing it sideways get the balls to the full backs and the wingers and tell them to get to the byline, no tricks just get to the byline and get the ball in. Then the whoever's wing the ball isn't on the other one go in the box, its ridiculous how poor we are at getting numbers in the box we need to change this.

    I would also like to see Cairney given a run, we ain't going up now and he needs game time, perfect oppurtunity. Play him in the Koren role, tell him if he looks backwards or sideways for a pass he is dropped, as he has the ability to give King and the wingers some great balls but for some reason he has forgotten he can do this. Also tell Evans he is a good box to box midfielder and them make sure he gets box to box, as thats being our problem, we need one of our midfield to support the wingers and Cairney in this system, if we don't they just out number us and give us no space to play.

    This isn't a negative post before i get called a 'new fan' we clearly just need to change something as currently its not working, and its hardly huge changes, just mentality changes.

    What changes that are realistic would you like to see for the rest of the season?
     
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  2. Gawge

    Gawge Well-Known Member

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    Pretty good post.

    If we accept that we aren't going up, then we might as well look at what players we want to keep, and where we want to play them. I'd like to try King up front, to see if he is worth trying to sign.
     
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  3. Amin Yapusi

    Amin Yapusi Well-Known Member

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    Couldn't be arsed to read that so apologies, but I think it's time we try Gulasci up top, he's tall, strong and alright at half time keepy uppy. He maybe the missing 'big striker' we've been looking for.
     
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  4. PLT

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    I'd say the Cairney thing is the most important one. He has some massive quality that we haven't used properly for 2 years now. He needs a run in the team and not just to be dropped the second something goes wrong. I wouldn't play him in the hole though as he isn't anything like that sort of player, he's more like a McKenna kind of player than a Koren one; he sits deep and passes but doesn't drive forward and open space like Koren does.
     
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  5. kccircle

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    Cairney to be the fulcrum with no defensive responsibilities
     
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  6. Stuart Blampey

    Stuart Blampey Well-Known Member

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    "This isn't a negative post before i get called a 'new fan' we clearly just need to ...."


    Let others be the judge of that.
     
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  7. BigotAlertAnalRimMan

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    i want to see

    mannone

    young back four

    mckenna
    cairney brady

    simpson-king-mclean
     
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  8. The FRENCH TICKLER

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    well trying to put a positive slant on the bad injury news over messrs. Hobbs, Dudgeon and now its seams Chester and Koren......Lets see how Sonny Bradley and Liam Cooper fair as a centre back pair. I would still like Ant Gerrard back as he is a free signing but these 2 may well save the club alot of money in the summer. Who knows what will happen in the last 6 games but at least they shall both get good experience. 2 Hull Lads at the back with Dawson and Rosie not that far away from being Hull lads either...lol.

    i never want to see jay simpson in a hull city shirt again. he is a lazy good for nothing so and so.!!!!

    plus Garcia may as well be shipped back to oz now. another one who does not want to be here and is ready for the mickey mouse aussie league as he ends his career. thanks garcia for the past but your time is well and truely up here now. that Crawley fa cup game showed just how much he really cared.!!!!!
     
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  9. Davies Headband

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    Can't really disagree with any of the OP, last season once we were safe it was clear we weren't going up Cairney should have been given game time, instead it seems like he missed one header or gets out muscled in one tackle and he's dropped, he's still only a kid so mistakes will be made but he has so much ability it needs to be developed, same with Liam Cooper, and possibly Cullen too.
     
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  10. The FRENCH TICKLER

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    Give Tom Cairney a roaming role. ie. he goes where there is space. McKenna and Evans need to play as a pair for obvious reasons. One other option would be Oli as he has a very good range of passing and as his defending is on a par with Toms. lol. 2 good options to consider, imo.

    in a funny sort of way, i would like to see the players who will be leaving in the summer play @ West Ham in the final game. Gulacsi - Kilbane - Harper - Garcia - Simpson.
     
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  11. originallambrettaman

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    Yes, I could see how funny that would be...

    Koren will be back in the next couple of games, so I expect Koren to play the Koren role. The same is true of Chester, who will obviously partner Cooper or Bradley(based on Saturday I'd rather it was Bradley) and I wouldn't play Stewart at all, he's been a waste of a shirt for a month now. I wouldn't mind seeing King up top, but I'd probably use the odd game before Koren returns to try it, with Fryatt playing behind him and I'd keep Brady and Mclean out wide, I wouldn't mind Garcia for Mclean either(all this 'he doesn't care' stuff is bollocks, he's dying to play and has never given us less than 100% when he has played).
     
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  12. The FRENCH TICKLER

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    Garcia does not give a stuff otherwise he would be involved. No point in playing Chester again unless his injury is not as bad as has been said. If Koren comes back fine but i wont be holding my breath for either of them playing again this season. Cooper played well. So what about the own goal, it happens. He recovered well. Lets see what Bradley and Cooper can do starting at Millwall which will be a good test for them both.
     
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  13. Tyler

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    Send the loan players back and field 11 contracted players who'll be in the squad next season. No need to risk injured/not 100 % players, and give some youths a bit of experience. It won't happen, but I'd like it too.
     
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  14. StrovolosTiger

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    Great suggestion.
     
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  15. PLT

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    Agreed. He started the season ahead of Evans because his pre-season form was very good, he only lost his place due to injury at the same timer as McKenna which meant Koren and Evans played in the middle for a couple of games, both of them did well and since then we've not stopped trying to squeeze Koren into the middle of the pitch and Evans has kept his place too. Cairney did nothing wrong, nothing changed from the very beginning of the season when everyone loved him and was excited to see what he could do. The main reason he should be in the team though is the 'something from nothing' effect. If Koren is in the team there is always a chance he might get you a 20-yard goal from nothing. If Cairney and Koren are both in the team there are 2 players with a chance of doing that, that doubles the likelihood.

    Good point. Tickler won't have it because his never-ending optimism now stretches to disliking any player NB seems to dislike but you're right. He's a top pro.
     
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  16. pmsl

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    barmby doesn't like cairney and will try to sell him in the summer.
     
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  17. John. Walkington.

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    Why? Has he told you?
     
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  18. City1904

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    I agree however the inconsistency in Cairney's game are huge, some games like recently i think he just looks backwards and sideways, and i think despite what Nick Barmby says that is a lack of Bravery. To many of our men are scared to do something spectacular or take on a man or lose the ball incase they get shouted at by the crowd or even Nick. We need Cairney or Evans to get the ball and draw their man first, to many times they pass the ball backwards when they could take the ball forward ten yards. However he won't get them inconsistencies out of his game without playing. I know you agree with me on Cullen to, any man who plays on the last shoulder of a defender and makes them runs will always be dangeorus, he just needs games to, maybe not at this level. Cooper should play as for me he is easily good enough for League One he just got stuck in a promotion chasing side who weren't going to risk not playing two experienced pro's for him.

    On Garcia and Stewart, only one of them is going to be at our club next year more than likely so why would you play the one who isn't going to be here? I don't dislike Garcia, and i didn't mean he was one who didn't give 100% i mean he just isn't in Nick's plans for whatever reason so far, so why would that change now?
     
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  19. PLT

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    I don't buy this sideways or backwards thing. Every player wants to go forwards naturally but the fact is 99% of the time there is a player stood in front of you so you can't go forwards. That means sideways or backwards is the only way to keep it moving and look for spaces. Particularly in this system with so many players back how can you pass forwards if there is only player ahead of you and 10 defenders? As for being scared to take a man on, whenever someone does try that (Brady?) people on here say they are arrogant, one-trick ponies, etc. How can they win? The reason people say this most about Cairney is because he is the one you see on the ball more than anyone else, taking charge of possession where others will shy away from it. That's actually a good thing but people see it as bad.

    I take your point about Garcia and yes as it seems NB doesn't want him it wouldn't achieve much playing him unless he had a chance of playing for a deal so to speak.
     
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  20. westhulltiger

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    Wonder why Garcia was offered a new deal when he came back from injury?
     
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