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Discussion in 'Charlton' started by deleted....., May 29, 2012.

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Who would you let go?

  1. Andy Hughes

  2. Cedric Evina

  3. Danny Green

  4. Paul Hayes

  5. Scott Wagstaff

  6. John Sulivan

  7. Other (please state)

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  1. deleted.....

    deleted..... Well-Known Member

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    With wewant's poll on the right midfield spot showing that a new right winger is most popular, which of the following (I have picked what I think are the most expendable) do you think could be offered to other clubs? It may be that a player can be offered to allow him to get 'first team football' or just because you do not think he is good enough for the Championship.

    If 'Other' please state <ok>

    <cheers>

    AllHell


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    Bradders is NOT an acceptable answer to 'Other' thank you :)

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    You can vote for more than 1 person plus this is NOT a pulic vote so nobody can tell who you voted for <ok>
     
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  2. SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious

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    I selected Paul Hayes. As much as I like him, his days seem numbered and I think he has more value in comparison to the rest (Exception Green and Waggy).

    I think we have 3 very good strikers in Kermo, BWP and Haynes, and if rumours are believed to be true that CP is looking for another attacker then Hayes becomes redundant.
     
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  3. Captain Blackaddick

    Captain Blackaddick Well-Known Member

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    Sadly I think you're right. Hayes did very little wrong, and would certainly be in the starting 11 of most League 1 clubs, but Kermorgant took us up another level.
     
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  4. WWOCB

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    I voted for Hayes and Sullivan.

    Hayes did well at the start of the season, but Kermorgant has overtaken him and is the better striker, so barring a long term injury to Kermit, I don't see Hayes playing any part with us in the coming season - he won't get on the bench either because he's far from a 'game-changing' player. Add that to his comment on Twitter earlier in the season which makes me not really want him around anyway.

    I have no confidence in Sullivan at all. I don't think he was a good enough back-up for us in League One so no chance in the Championship.

    I'd also get rid of Bover. I know a lot of people will shoot me down for saying that, but every time I've seen him play he's done nothing - he has no positional sense, has poor control of the ball and seems out of his depth. I know he's only young, but I was far more impressed with Freddie Warren and Tosan Popo, both of whom were younger I believe (?)

    In terms of 'footballing ability' and 'who will make the step-up', I'd perhaps let Wagstaff go. However, I like him a lot as a person and as a character, he has a lot of heart and as much as people say 'you can't let sentiment determine who we keep', I feel we need players who love to play for the club. Plus on occasion, he works well as a 'super-sub' and his counter-attacking ability is pretty strong.
     
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  5. Sat In Greenwich

    Sat In Greenwich Well-Known Member

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    who voted for waggy? that's crazy talk. his appearance to goals/assist ratio is always good. and half the time he gets a game it's out of position (up front or left wing etc).

    to replace him like for like would cost us a small fortune
     
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    <whistle> that'd be me <whistle>
    just don't think he's good enough for Champ..... hope GMR doesn't read this <yikes>
     
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  7. SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious

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    If Waggy could bring in £700,000-£1million then I'd take it, straight away.
     
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    I don't think he has improved any under Chrissy so can't see that he will step up for the Championship :( let's face it he wasn't pulling up trees in L1 and I think Green has more potential in him.

    A sad thing to say as Waggy is obviously from my pet Academy <cry>
     
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  9. WWOCB

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    I know this is an odd thing to say, but Waggy's progression seems to have gone backwards. During his debut few games and playing a bit part role in the first season in League One he was class - he made the most of his pace by going past the full back every time. Yet somewhere along the line he seems to have lost confidence and for the past year and a half or so, he hasn't been performing anywhere near as well as he had been.

    If he can work on his game and cut out his bad habits, then we'll have a fine player, if not then he won't cut it, simples.


    Super, if a club offered around £500,000 I'd bite their hands off!
     
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  10. The Kish

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    Wagstaff is Gash.
     
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  11. SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious

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    The thing with lower league football is that scouting isn't as forward as the top two leagues. You often get a lot of freelancers who Premiership and Championship clubs will use, and in some cases, buy information from as a scout might have compiled information on certain teams/players. Wagstaff has an impressive goal scoring record, and with the raw potential he has (had?) he is still an interesting commodity to some clubs.

    He would collect a fee, but as he is in the last year of his contract I wonder what the club will do. Sell him now for a fee, or keep him and potentially get pushed out of the first team picture by Green and lose him to a tribunal in a year?
     
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  12. Franco5

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    For what it's worth I voted for all bar Waggy and Green...

    I've been banging the drum for ages now saying that Waggy ought to be considered a forward. Yes we have better forwards to start games, but he could be a cracking impact sub. He is as good a finisher as we have at the club, is quick and best of all unpredictable (mostly because he don't know what he's going to do himself half the time... <laugh>).

    Having said all that, if we were offered upwards of 500k for him and that money could be reinvested into developing the squad, I'd be happy for him to move on.

    As for Green.... I've seen more than enough of him to be convinced he can do the business in the Championship.

    His delivery into our front men is of the highest quality, for me comfortably the best in the squad. If I were the gaffer I'd sit him down and say "your delivery from wide areas is what gets you in my team. All I want you to do is what Beckham has done all of his career. When you get the ball out wide, get your head up and whip the ball into dangerous areas for BWP and Kermit to attack".

    It’s clear to me that he doesn't have the trickery or pace to turn a fullback, but by Jesus can the boy whip consistently quality ball into the box.

    If Kermit knew he could bank on the ball being delivered from Green 8/9 times out of 10 can you how much he’d terrorise the opposition? The way he attacks a ball he’d have a bloody field day…!!
     
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  13. C a F c

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    Waggy is a great impact player on the right wing, nicks goals and assists so i think he should deffo be on the bench next season

    Green is too inconsistent, sometimes his crossing is unbelievable at other times it is poor. He shoots too much from range withour scoring and i therefore, think he should be sold

    I also think cedric eveina should be loaned out to get some first team football
     
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  14. Scoham

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    Sullivan, Green and Hayes. All need replacing of course.
     
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  15. Charltonpat

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    I'm so glad none of them are in a position to make that decision and it's a non starter anyway.Why was Wagstaff brought on more at the end of the season because he was coming back into form and usurping Green with assists. Sometimes these threads are set up to try and influence opinion rather than improve the current set-up and I would expect the anti Scott criticism to be treated with the same scorn as it intended.
     
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  16. Butterfield

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    completely agree with franco5 on this one
     
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  17. WWOCB

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    CharltonPat, I know you like Waggy but as a winger we can't rely on him in The Championship!

    Q. What is a wingers job?

    A. To go past the full-back and whip in a cross for the strikers.

    ...Wagstaff NEVER EVER goes past the full-back (instead he turns his back, runs the other one then passes the ball back) and his delivery is appalling. If he can't do either of those things against the likes of Bury and Rochdale, then how on earth is he going to do it against Birmingham, Bolton etc?



    Don't get me wrong, I like the bloke, but he's simply not a winger.
     
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  18. The Rifleman

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    You missed Leon Clarke off the original list of who to let go. I think we will shift him out over the summer, permanently, hopefully somewhere up north far away from us and Di Canio
     
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  19. Charltonpat

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    You'd have to go through every game to justify that never ever argument and also compare like for like. From what I've seen he's had another successful season, people expect so much but competition has been healthy in that position and Wagstaff has been able to hold his own.
     
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  20. WWOCB

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    I was at every home game last season, the majority of away games and all cup games (apart from JPT against Brentford) and never once saw Wagstaff go past the full back.

    As for what I was saying about delivery earlier:

    Wagstaff:
    apps - 22 (+18)
    assists - 4

    Green:
    apps - 30 (+7)
    assists - 10

    Assists ratio 1 in 10 for Wagstaff
    Assists ratio 1 in 3.7 for Green


    For me its clear here who the better winger is (the better winger here by definition being the individual who does best the wingers job - providing assists).

    Of course Wagstaffs goal contribution cannot be ignored, I just feel he's not cut out to be a winger and can certainly not be relied on in The Championship whilst remaining as one. Whilst he's young I feel he should either embrace a different position (I.e an attacking midfielder playing behind the striker), or else just stamp out his poor tendencies.
     
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