Now I dont know who this guy is but read what he says about Terry and Suarez, Terry's went to court and was found not guilty so I think it was over the top really, and if Suarez had gone to court he would of been probably found not guilty. Not sure what the guy is getting at really... Taken from BBC website..... An FA investigation into that matter is ongoing, but Herbert labelled as "derisory" the punishments handed out by the governing body to Chelsea captain John Terry and Liverpool striker Luis Suarez for other incidents. Terry was banned for four games and fined £220,000 last month for racially abusing QPR defender Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League game at Loftus Road in October 2011. Suarez received an eight-match suspension for repeated racial abuse directed towards Manchester United defender Patrice Evra during a league game played in the same month. Herbert said: "What we're saying is that the FA has no hate-crime strategy. Now that, for anybody in the industry of dealing with criminal justice, means they've got no systematic way of dealing with hate-crime in sport. "To give you an example, the penalties on John Terry and Luis Suarez were derisory.
Is he not the mouth piece for the society of black lawyers? From what has been reported; They are the ones who reported the matter to the police without the permission of the player/s involved & without viewing any direct evidence that an offence had occurred. Which is why the police have had to drop the matter since they have not been able to gather any actual evidence from the supposed victim or the FA. He's just butt hurt that they haven't continued their race war they thought they'd convinced Rio & others to start a few weeks back. It was actually their idea of starting a black players association.(they were on hand to help of course)....when Rio et al had calmed down a bit & decided that might actually be divisive in itself & hence counter productive, the idea disappeared sharpish. They are so far up their own arses they think normal everyday folks like us don't put two & two together & know that if they get what they claim they want they out themselves out of a job or at least the free advertising this particular soap box has provided recently so actually want to continue & exacerbate the social divisions they champion against. Their motives are transparent; let them rant away.
What punishment will the chavs receive for falsely claiming him being a racist and miss refereeing for a month with no wages.
Clattenburg's case has got jack **** to do with Suarez and this thread is just opening old wounds, Suarez is now involved in diving and his racist days ended after his ban was served and fine was paid. Do keep up Darlo.
I do keep up Page but I dont think Terry's or Suarez ban is derisory, I might think he dives a lot and not like Suarez but I think this person is barking up the wrong tree by saying stuff like this.
I was winding you up Darlo, no matter what the Herbert says there'll be no retro-increase in punishment for either Suarez or Terry, his comments are crass and reek of self promotion. Hes taking the fight against racism back rather than forward.
Who said he wouldn't get paid? Normal procedure would be suspended WITH pay! No one has said its a false claim either, just that they didn't report it
Found this interesting article about Suarez and Terry. http://newsthump.com/2012/11/13/football-fans-unsure-how-to-feel-about-racist-on-racist-violence/
Funny, but sails a bit close to the wind. Can't help feeling there'll be plenty out there who'd think it was genuine.
I wonder how 'derisory' he found the pathetic sanction against Rio X for his 'choc-ice' tweet, or is that the type of 'hate crime' that doesn't count?
This Herbert character should be embarrassed with the way he's conducting himself. In both the Terry and Suarez cases, the FA couldn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that either committed the offence they were punished with. Even then, both were handed bans reflecting on the 'probable' offence they did commit. Those are the FA's rules, and they were followed. Herbert seems to be trying to make the issue larger than it is. Neither Terry nor Suarez are racist. Both were punished for making racist remarks. And that's it. Like others have said here, Herbert is setting the fight against racism backwards rather than forwards by trying to imply it exists where it doesn't. That he reported the Clattenburg incident to police without seeing a shred of evidence or indeed hearing any testimony is tantamount to wasting police time; an offence in itself. He should think himself lucky to still be in a job. At the very least, what he's done/is doing is extremely unprofessional. It's very much a caricature of the way racism is dealt with in football. The BBC get a few talking heads like Clarke Carlisle and Jason Roberts to pass comment on incidents they have zero first hand knowledge of. Neither were there for the Suarez incident, and neither were there for the Terry incident. Yet instead of simply stating this, both chose to give sound bites to the reporter. Everything like this seems to be excused when racism is in the air, particularly the widespread media attitude of 'oh, let's get a black man - any black man - to speak to us; he must have something to say.'
Here's the real Herbert, and hes a militant without doubt and hes bad for black/white race relations imo. The barrister Peter Herbert sees himself as a civil rights campaigner in the tradition of Martin Luther King and he wants Britain’s black footballers to stand alongside him in the struggle. Go to his website (“D Peter Herbert OBE: Barrister at Law” and you will find “fan” photographs of him alongside the likes of Jesse Jackson and the Rev Al Sharpton. He once played Paul Robeson, the American actor and civil rights activist, in a theatre production that was favourably reviewed in The Guardian and is writing his own play about a civil rights case in Liverpool. Herbert has established a platform as chairman of the Society of Black Lawyers and has worked closely for years with the Black Police Association. Now he has turned his attentions to the beautiful game, wading into the latest football race row by calling on Premier League referee Mark Clattenburg to be suspended while he is investigated over alleged racist comments made to Chelsea’s Nigerian star John Obi Mikel. He has also ignited his own controversy by dubbing Tottenham Hotspur supporters “casual racists” for their embrace of the term Yid Army as a mechanism for combating anti-Semitic abuse from rival supporters. Now he wants footballers to create something similar to the Society of Black Lawyers – the Black Footballers Association, if you will. “We are trying to show them the potential of black self-organisation,” said Herbert. “There are 60 million people of colour in Europe and the best known and wealthiest of them are footballers. The potential for leadership and excellence and role models is stunning.” He admits this battle will not be easy, noting that it is “early days” for the project. Footballers “have not been empowered” through university educations to comprehend the role they can have in social change. “We are going to engage and hopefully persuade by using examples from other jurisdictions,” he said. If he is going to persuade football stars to join his cause, he needs to establish that black British footballers are treated differently from white ones. Which helps explain Herbert’s high profile this week, putting forward a radical 10-point plan for tackling racism in the game. Among the more radical proposals is giving referees the power to call off matches when they hear racist abuse from the crowd. Herbert, 55, has been compared to the campaigning black American lawyer Johnnie Cochran, who represented not just OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson but black sports stars including boxer Riddick Bowe and American footballer Jim Brown. The Newcastle-born barrister, who notes that baseball star Jackie Robinson was a big supporter of Dr King in the 1960s, is a close follower of the racial politics of American sport. He likes the “Rooney Rule”, named after Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney, who used affirmative action to give African-American coaches more opportunities in the National Football League. English football has only four black managers. Rooney is now US ambassador to Ireland and Herbert wants to visit him. He will hope for a warmer reception than he has received this week from British football. His Spurs campaign, particularly his threat of referring the matter to the Metropolitan Police, went down badly at White Hart Lane on Thursday night where the crowd delighted in chanting “Yid Army”. Supporter Tim Framp, of the We Are N17 campaign, said the “positive” use of the term was not deemed offensive by Tottenham’s sizeable Jewish following. “The only way to make it lose its sting is to reclaim it.” But battle-hardened Herbert, a veteran of 30 years of campaigning, says the non-Jewish majority at Spurs has no right to “reclaim” such a term of abuse and that a criminal offence is committed under section 5 of the Public Order Act if a single television viewer is offended. He might have to “have a word” with the local borough commander. Piara Powar, former head of Kick It Out – which works with the football authorities – and now executive director of Football Against Racism in Europe, said: “I think Peter Herbert and the Society of Black Lawyers are naive. They perhaps don’t know football.” No doubt Powar would argue the game has made vast progress in combating racism in the past 30 years. But some black players, including Rio Ferdinand, were critical of Kick It Out’s handling of the recent John Terry race case. Herbert – who today was off to see the multi-ethnic teenage side Leicester Nirvana FC, victims of alleged monkey chants from spectators during a recent under-15s game –sniffed an opportunity. Some accuse him of simply being opportunist and flash (witness him posing with a Mercedes registered P400 LAW). But he is not naive. Don’t be surprised to see him with a new “fan” picture, hanging out with Rio. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...l-8301481.html
I think the man is an idiot. As mentioned earlier, Rio and Frimpong were found guilty of similar incidents: Rio endorsing the term 'choc 'ice' and Frimpong with a more direct insult to Spurs fans by calling them 'dirty yids'. Where were the Society of Black Lawyers then? Where was Clarke Carlisle? Where was Jason Roberts? It's funny because Herbert came out and called Spurs fans 'casual racists' for their use of the term 'yid'. What we need is a body that stamps out all forms of discrimination - not just racism. This body needs representatives from all walks of life to defend everyone and not just limit it to their own ethnicity, gender etc e.g. if a black player is racially abused, then a white rep comes out and defends him. If a woman is discriminated because of her gender, then a man should defend her. I'm getting sick and tired of these so called 'anti racism' groups only looking to help black players. There are other ethniticities that are abused as well, maybe not in the professional game but certainly at grassroots. Don't these people need defending as well? Double standards and I honestly don't care about it anymore.
Completely agree with this. Thus far he's told Spurs fans they can't chant about being Yids (wonder if he says the same to black rappers and comedians who refer to themselves as ******s) and now accused all of football of being institutionally racist. And to top it all off, apparently Terry and Suarez' penalties were derisory, and yet if the offence had been reported to the police and they had been convicted of these supposed "hate crimes" (gotta love a lawyer who doesn't know what a hate crime is), they'd have been fined a maximum of £2,500. In what world is a £40,000 fine and effectively a two month suspension from work 'derisory' compared to a £2,500 fine?!? All he's going to achieve is to make football fans pissed off with black lawyers. Which is hardly going to make them less tolerant of racist language...
Swarbs you could have just stopped at pissed off with lawyers. These guys are the ambulance chasers of racial discrimination. Cant't wait to see his TV ad "Are you a footballer of colour who has been offended recently in work? Call claim for black; we don't keep any of the FA fine money; you get 100%!"
the real truth is herbert is right that the fa are inherently racist. they loved handing out a 8 mathc ban to johhny foreigner with nothing but one man's word and a video of a pinch. but then the great white leader got caught on camera they fought as hard as they could to get him to the euros and ended up not dealing with it for a full year. the fa have clear rules so herbert is completely wrong about a) calling it "hate crimes" and b) the fact there's no policy. its the fact that an incident occurs and forever afterwards people used as a poster up beside hitler proves that these guys are just about thier own little hateful agendas.
That's utter bollocks. They had to wait until the criminal trial had been completed before having their own investigation. They could have taken the easy route & cleared him if you were correct as to their motives, as the criminal court did. But they savaged his story & banned him. But don't let facts get in the way of your mis-guided hatred, based on their correct conviction of St Luis.
Peter Herbert aka militant black guy from balls of steel. [video=youtube;7wQJVXa2IkA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wQJVXa2IkA[/video]
of course its bollox! i'm fishing for a bite... thanks for snapping at the line I knew i'd catch someone on this kind of stupid thread.
