Rafa says he wants to manage Liverpool again. "I will wait 3 years, 5 years, 10 years. I want to manage Liverpool again. After Kenny retires." What are your guys view on this? Personally I love the guy, what he has done for the Club, fans and the City is exemplary and we moan about disloyal foreigners coming in and out of our club this man is an exemption. To come from another country and show that amount of passion is incredible. But as a manager there is still that cloud over his head, under the owners we have today how well would he have done? If he was given proper support by the previous owners would he have pushed us one further than our 08/09 season?
Don't think so. He had five years to build a title-winning squad. Great modem managers like josep jose avb only need one or two seasons to get it right.
I thought Rafa did a terrific job, but let what was happening in the boardroom effect his efforts. Ok as is now coming to light, just how much Hicks and Gillete screwed the club over. But Rafa shouldn't have got involved. I do think if NESV had come in just after we finished second, and let Rafa invest we could have gone one better the following season.
nope the plain facts of the matter are; 1. despite the claims about G&H he's the one who wanted keane then treated him like dirt, and he's the one who bought aquilani.. both 20mil players. 2. he's the one who alienated alosno, benayuon and others 3. he's the one who can't keep his mouth shut and brought the whole rafa rant on himself and did the same at inter leading to the sack there. mobly may well be right, had mr henry bought out g&H or someone like the city billionaires then yes rafa may have won a league but i nthe end he presided over his won firing by buying trash in and not holding on to talent.
He won the champions league in his first season as manager and got to the final 2 years later. He also got us our highest league finish in years, so what are you on about? I would have him back as he is a passionate guy when it comes to Liverpool and with the right infrastructure within the club he could well reach his potential.
MITO, he didn't want Keane. Keane didn't fit the system that Rafa wanted to play. Rafa wanted Barry as he could fill a number of positions on the left hand side. Parry felt for the monies and given Barry's age, it didn't represent value for money..Then less than 3 months later bought Keane against Rafa's wishes, for the same monies as where needed for Barry and for a player of the same age!! Do agree with the alienation of Alonso and others, Rafa had a habit of rubbing people up the wrong way. But over all i'd have him back, he obviously feels passionately about the club and i believe he wants to finish the job he started. Consider what he did behind the scene's with the youth set-up, he had a plan.
rafa is directly quoted (after the fact) as having wanted keane.. his exact words were he wanted barry first to play on the left and keane up fornt with torres. for me having seen the fairly average displays barrys has put in for england and city as a very defensive player i'm very glad we didn't get him... though the loss on aquilani was bad enough. He wanted keane, threw a hissy fit over barry... ended up getting near twice the moeny on alonso and went and wasted it on aquilani! All in all at a time when moeny was at a premium he threw a good 10-15mil inthe bin right there. don't get me started on dossena,,,, I'd not have him back as the strucutres we have now are decent and he'd throw them all out. I agree of course he appointed youth coaches but they've been promoted up the ranks since.. not sure i agree with that but we've now an overall strucutre where coaches have their place, club staff have thier place and we have not got an ego to pander to. Kenny has worked with all of the guys like comolli just fine so I'm more than happy if we say to rafa, well done you're a legend for winnin two trophies but no thanks. Kenny only works cos kenny is willing to work with everyone not pull against them. In the end thats what we need and why henry was convinced by him.
Rafa may want to manage Liverpool again but I doubt that his wishes will be realised. Whilst I love the man dearly and know that, like Kenny, he only has the best interests of the club at heart, his time has gone as manager. Perhaps, at some point in the future, there is the possibility of a role for him at the club. If so, then it would have to be a more clearly defined role than the one that Kenny was given. I doubt that Kenny would accept Rafa's presence in any position that could be interprited as being a loose cannon.
I agree with the passionate side of things, he certainly does seem to love Liverpool which is a bonus. I still don't think he has an eye for a decent player, his signings were crap IMO apart from Torres who was 25m or there abouts and already sort of proven in la liga. Kenny's building a revolution at the moment are you seriously considering his position?!
Were Alonso, Lucas, Reina, Mascherano, Luis Garcia crap signings? Not to mention the amazing work he did with the academy that is producing top player's now. Im not his biggest fan but he did a decent job for Liverpool and he get's unfair stick imo.
I would definitely have him back. He loves the club and he is a fantastic manager plus he's a relatively young manager as well. Alienate Alonso? I remember Xabi being piss poor before we tried to sell him and then he decided to have his best season for us. And we wanted to bring Barry in because we lacked balance and needed a left footed, left sided midfielder. In addition, the quota for more English players was in the pipeline. With money and support from the owners, Rafa would have got us further. And to say Aquilani was a poor signing is harsh - we've all seen how good he is and its a shame he didn't get the chance to prove it.
By no means is anyone considering Kenny's position, but we all know as Rafa said...3, 5 or 10 years time Kenny will not be our manager for ever. I would definitely consider other options if they seemed more feasible, Carra could be good enough for the job in 5 years time. Non of us (the fans) can appoint the manager, so if Rafa was to come back from the decision of the board I will always support him and sing his name in the stands for the man that he is.
Johnson and Aqua were bought as the cowboys forced us to deal with teams that owed us money. I think under the new regime we would have got the Simao, Dani Alves, Jovetic, Barry that we were after along with the ones we did get. Granted Rafa did buy some deadweight, I think like many have pointed out, he let the stress and the owners get to him a bit and it started affecting everything from his buys to his tactics. I would welcome him back and would welcome his first signing, Banega.
I think this clearly demonstrates the esteem and affection with which Rafa is held by the majority of our supporters. There is however a difference between that love and wanting him back in the club in any position that would/could undermine Kenny. Yes, we'd love him back but not just now and probably not as manager. [video=youtube;FVvnQUoon6g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVvnQUoon6g&feature=youtu.be[/video]
On behalf of fans of all PL clubs. Please bring this man back. Just so you know, he was rubbish, truly awful by the end. He took Liverpool from CL winners to not qualifying for the CL in just a few seasons. Well done that man Seriously though I dont get why you rate him. Nobody else does.
Do you remember how bad that team was though? I think you will find that in the first three years we were CL winners, FA cup winners, CL finalist then came H&G and I think Rafa got too involved in that big row with them and took his eye off the ball a bit. We were still always in touching distance of getting to the CL and had the 09 season where we almost won the league, he kept us in the CL during this time up until the very end of his reign but by then we were about to go bust. What manager did we have in the PL era that kept us in the top 4, kept us in the CL, and had us always challenging in the CL. Granted I will say he messed up the league a lot but he did way too many good things for us.
Thats from a Liverpool fans view. From an outside view the man was a nutter, incapable of doing his job right for an extended period of time as he would always find a way to mess it up. We loved him at United for the fact that with him, no matter how close you got there was zero chance of you winning the league. We didnt call him agent rafa for nothing.
I will give you the league part, he ballsed that up big time. But from a European point of view we were always there, always in the competition, it felt so right, so comfortable with him in charge, Madrid, Chelsea, Barca, you name it, bring them on, we'll have them. Then the league would come and I would think " Oh S***, Stoke." I can see how this is the biggest problem people would have with him. You can't deny what we did in Europe and how consistent we were up until that last season of his where basically the **** hit the fan and he literally lost his mind. I remember there was a very good debate on the old 606 about this when Rafa was lined up for the sac and we flipped the question on looking back how clsoe SAF was to the sack and how it worked out. unfortunately I think the turmoil in the club was just too great and Rafa was axed/mutual agreement.
