Don't Know anything about the above. But does anybody know if Jeff's father/grandfather ever played for Sunderland? We had a right back called Jack Stelling play for us around 1946-1951. He was replaced when we signed the Colombia rebel, Jack Hedley in '51 bur remained on our books till around 1955. Stelling was born in Washington and we signed him from Jarrow soon after the war, I believe.