Match Day Thread Queens Park Rangers v Sunderland – Tuesday 26th October 2021 - KO 19:45

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by RTB, Oct 24, 2021.

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  1. Home win

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  2. Away win

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  3. QPR - win on pens

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  4. SAFC - win on pens

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  5. Meh - who cares

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  1. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff
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    All this “if that goal had stood” nonsense. Now let’s say the goal was given, and that made SAFC step up a gear and we’d scored?

    love how it’s “definitive” and people have no inclination to see that it may have changed the game and SAFC setup. We had 3 or 4 very good chances. Who’s to say they wouldn’t have gone in if the game had been different?

    Also none of them seem to care that our left back could’ve broken his leg at the expense of their player. But I guess they wouldn’t even when pointed out to them!
     
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  2. Robref62

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    What the LAW states there goes out the window if the goalscorer was behind the ball. By the LAW, ("not rule, rules can be broken) he's offside. Clear as mud. Without being able to read the assistant's mind that's all he could have flagged for.
     
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  3. The Arnhem Bridge

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    Who was offside?

    If you are talking about Austin he's clearly onside.
     
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  4. David Moyes' Stupid Face

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    Huh? He's clearly onside according to the law. It's literally written in the law you quoted in your previous post <confused>
     
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  5. cumbrianmackem

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    Why are some on here making such an issue about a decision that apparently went in our favour.
    I can understand Rangers fans having a monk on like we have all season at piss poor refereeing decisions we've had to put up with but for our own fans to debate this in infinitum seems crazy to me.
    Are you that really bothered or unhappy that we've progressed to the next round. I understand this is a discussion forum but find this very strange indeed.
     
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  6. sad-eyed prophet

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    I don't think anyone is unhappy we've progressed mate.....far from it!......it's more a discussion about the officials' interpretation of the offside rules as a result of the often appalling refereeing we've seen in our league matches so far this season.
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

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    You may ask ....
     
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  8. sad-eyed prophet

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    As a further issue on this, we,as fans, are entitled to ask the EFL whether or not they are able to produce the required number of competent referees to fulfil their committments in our league. From what I've seen so far this season,I would very much doubt whether they have the necessary numbers of suitably qualified people.
     
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  9. monty987

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    if that was a league one ref that would have stood, on the 'quest' channel we get 2 minutes highlights each week roughly, and who looks at the match for the 'headbutt' the f a ?
     
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  10. The Arnhem Bridge

    The Arnhem Bridge Not606 Godfather

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    We are just debating the offside law. The fact you find it crazy we are discussing that on a football forum, I actually find that very strange, tbh.
     
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  11. GaryClark

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    It's an and there is no doubt this goal should have stood but a mistake was made. We are all human and without VAR it cannot be corrected so we move on.
     
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  12. Sunderpitt

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    Having just made a visit to Vindolanda, I must ask myself what would the Romans have made about the offside decision...

    My guess is they would have said "Rock on Tommy"... in Latin of course, 'Tommious Rockous Onus'
     
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  13. samwise_new

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    that kind of confirms my suspicion that the reason he flagged was that he was 'ahead of the ball'.

    in all honesty i agree if it had been given against us i would be fuming but that seems to be the deciding factor and according to the laws of the game it was offside.
     
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  14. Smug in Boots

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    What is strange is that we beat a Championship team, had some excellent performances, won a penalty shoot out and progressed to the quarter finals of a major competition ...

    ... yet some are seemingly fixated with a refereeing decision.
     
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  15. David Moyes' Stupid Face

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    I'm really confused how people are coming to the conclusion it was offside, am I missing something <confused>

    The law states that for it to be offside the player must:

    1. Be ahead of the ball when it is played,

    AND

    2. Be closer to the goal than the last two opposing players.

    He ticks off point 1 but not point 2, therefore the AND clause isn't satisfied. It clearly says AND not OR, i.e. both points need to be met in order for it to be offside. Otherwise literally every single forward pass is offside, ha. It would be a boring game if you can only pass backwards <laugh>
     
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  16. David Moyes' Stupid Face

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    It's a football forum, we're discussing a football match... <confused>
     
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  17. The Arnhem Bridge

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    Not the way he wants it to be discussed is the problem...
     
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  18. The Arnhem Bridge

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    Not only that but the ball came off our defender to Austin. No matter what way it's looked at its clearly offside. Just like I and everybody else clearly seems delighted we are through to the next round.
     
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    Qpr fans wouldn't have give a ****e if it happened the other way round as long as they went through
     
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  20. Woody

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    I'm somewhat interested at the disagreements on here about whether the scorer was offside or not. He was clearly nearer the goal line than the second defender when the other qpr player hit the ball to the goal. It hit our defender and went towards the scorer. The only question can be whether having hit our player that could be construed as playing the scorer on. I had thought that may be enough to make him onside, but clearly not.
    However then there is the question if the ball went in off the scorers arm, hand ball even if accidental as the ball would not have gone in if it hadn't.
    Isn't this simple game so complex.
    Thats why I've never fancied being a ref.
     
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