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PVA slams Moyes and talks about Pards.

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  1. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    Patrick van Aanholt says he left Sunderland because David Moyes’ training methods caused him to fall out of love with the game.

    In January the Dutch left-back forced through a move to Crystal Palace – two years after he claims their ten-manager Alan Pardew tapped him up during a match.

    Van Aanholt left for £14m in Janauary, but only, he says, after three or four attempts to force a move away. He says he wanted to leave because of Moyes’ approach to training.

    “I did not enjoy David Moyes’ training sessions,” said van Aanholt, who had a loan spell at Newcastle United from first club Chelsea. “Eventually I lost my love for the game, and went into the dressing-room feeling annoyed every day.

    When Sunderland turned down an offer for me from Crystal Palace I went to see Moyes in his office three or four times.

    “I was angry. I told him: ‘Accept Palace’s bid and just let me leave - it is the best thing for all concerned.’

    “But he said that he wanted to keep hold of me.”


    Van Aanholt’s departure funded the double signing of fellow left-back Bryan Oviedo and Darron Gibson from Everton. The 26-year-old is still Sunderland’s second-highest goalscorer in this season’s Premier League - level with Victor Anichebe on three goals. They and Jermain Defoe are the only players to have scored more than once for the Black Cats in the league this season.

    The price of van Aanholt’s eye for goal was that he was not a very good full-back defensively, and when it was obvious he was so keen to leave, Moyes eventually decided it was in the club’s best interests to sell.

    Palace were a relegation rival at the time but four consecutive wins are likely to keep them in the Premier League, whereas eight points adrift of safety with eight games to play, bottom-of-the-table Sunderland looked doomed to play in next season’s Championship.

    It was Sam Allardyce who brought van Aanholt to Selhurst Park but the player says his predecessor Pardew – like Allardyce a former Newcastle manager – had shown an interest in signing him two years earlier – during a game!


    “I was playing for Sunderland when we were at home to Palace,” he said in an interview with The Sun. “Just as I was getting ready to take a throw-in Alan Pardew came along the touchline towards me and said: ‘Come and play for my team next year.’

    “In the middle of a game, eh? I found that really funny. Then I told him: ‘OK, no problem.’”
     
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  2. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    Boo hoo I didn't like the twaining methods the nasty man twied to teach me wot defending is.

    Seriously though it'd be interesting to know what his issue was with training, we have had a piss taking amount of injuries and I'm still looking for someone to blame for it.
     
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    Love to see Palace come down with us - won't happen mind but it'd be immense just to make this ****er shut the **** up!
     
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    He tells a boring story does PVA
     
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  5. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    This will happen more and more, once the players/Moyes leaves.
     
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  6. red&white wanderer

    red&white wanderer Well-Known Member

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    I feel that Moyes is overtraining and pushing players to the limit in training - resulting in fatigued and injury prone players. I come to this conclusion after listening to a darksided radio interview with Honeyman after the New York jaunt - he said he'd never trained as hard in his life while there. Januizai has said the practice training matches are really competitive. I may be wrong here but I don't buy it being a legacy of BSA training methods. Also believe Everton had injury problems during Moyes early time there.
     
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  7. Nacho

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    Training hard and competitive training matches are good things but let's look at the results of it all. The opposition always look fitter, faster and stronger, the players are low in competitive spirit and we have had a huge injury list.

    Doesn't seem like it's working very well to me.
     
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    Early time is fine if you have the depth to cope with it (which we haven't) - he kept Everton well above water early days then pushed them to some of the most successful football they've had in the premier league

    I've got no problem with training players hard and playing competitive matches in training. But the results on the field appear to be nowhere near what they should be
     
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    Well that doesn't surprise me one bit. Like a said weeks ago, one of our first team said he rather get coach by Stockdale than moyes.
     
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  10. red&white wanderer

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    Agree totally but its not getting any benefits - ....absence of motivation & tactics may be the problem
     
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    In essence of course but not sure if he doesn't bring his same tactical nous to the training ground and older injury prone players (Kirchoff ) have been pushed too hard in training - hence another long term abscence) - just a thought
    He should be treat with kid gloves and eased to match fitness
     
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    When PVA was on the side line next to Parsnip and he whipped out a contract for him....as long as we got the 14 million for him he could have signed there and then as far as I'm concerned.....I would have drove him to Palace....
     
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    Not surprised he didn't like Moyes training methods. They were probably boring as ****.

    I just see letting van Aanholt go as another Moyes mistake. Yeah, he was **** at defending, blah, blah, blah. At least he joined in with the attack which is more than can be said for most of our slug-paced centre mids. We might have scored a few more goals if PVA had stuck around.
     
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    unfit to win or fit to lose ?
     
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    I've not seen this mentioned before I certainly wouldn't believe a word of it. Anyone could see how well the squad prepared under BSA and he was one of the first British advocates of sports science techniques which are now the norm at any club.
     
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    Have you seen Palaces fixtures hehe, they will come down with us or WHU and that will be a laugh, but we better beware they are ***** at the moment so might cop it next Sat.
     
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  17. Nacho

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    I think getting 14 mil for PVA and replacing him with Oviedo was good business, the mistakes came when we didn't reinvest the money in any attackers and proceeded to play seven DMs every game.
     
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    They beat Chelsea last weekend ya daft plug.
     
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    Certain (unnamed) posters on here thought BSA cryogenic techniques were a possible cause of our horrific injury bench. I think not - BUT thats my view .
     
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    Tel <ok>

    I think it is certainly a possible cause, if you study the repair and heal process of the human body, perhaps you'll begin to understand the importance of inflammation.

    It's almost certainly not the only cause, it'd be ridiculous to attribute so many injuries to that one thing.
     
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