were not nailed on certs to go down, but to be brutally honest, since Xmas last year, our forms been exactly that. We've use nearly a half dozen manager and probably over forty players. Despite this, no combination can seemingly stop the rot. So I find myself wondering could relegation this time be a hidden blessing. Ok we may lose players, but most wouldn't really be much loss in all honestly. The clubs valuation will hit rock bottom of course which will ask serious questions of the owners. Gfh will certainly be forced to pack their bags as I suspect Cellino will, if he's still at club. I doubt if bates would return even at a knock down price. He'd be in his mid eighties and surely too old for the hassle. Maybe, just maybe, an owner with resources could make proper progress and virtually a clean slate given well only have a handful of players on relatively small contracts
Didnt you give some of your new signings (you know the Italian dross) three or four year contracts if i remember rightly ?
Ffs don't tell you know who, he still thinks we will be the next Barca with the italian s**te Cellino has foisted on us.
I wanted Cellino in and we needed him at the time. I was quite willing to see how it went with him doing the signings and a coach getting the best out of them. Sadly it hasn't worked, Cellino is not going to change the way he does things and the quality he has brought in are not good enough. I understand why some want to blame a poor start under Hocakaday but the bottom line is Cellino picked both him and Darko and we will always end up with the cheap option. Maybe now a few more will understand why I was so disappointed with the broken promise to buy the ground back, if we go down we are no better a prospect than we were last time we were in Div 1 Cellino will never believe he has picked 15 players not up to the task, the coach will always get the blame, I really am not sure where we go from here. Even if we survive another season in this division it isn't going to matter, we really are not much better than we were this time last season, some want to believe we are but it is getting harder for them to justify that opinion as we slip nearer to the bottom.
Celino is nothing short of cancer in the club my genuine belief. I'm wondering when he started to sniff around the club, my thought is that it was round the F.A. shocker. I think he's been a disruptive influence on the club. I don't think he cares about the club all he wants is the prestige of owning a British Football Club. The first McD sacking was a shocker and should never have happened. Celino slagging off McD on the Radio was not professional. How are a team and manager meant to play when the manager is looking over his shoulders. The meeting was pointless, must have been set up to see who he was getting rid of. Sacking the academy staff was a massive joke. Then 15 new players and we sell the leagues top striker why? I don't think McCormack was being greedy, I actually think he didn't like it at the club anymore. He's gone through Grayson, Warnock, McD and two crappy owners and he leaves when Celino come in. I really hope we do get relegated then Celino will loose interest in us and sell us to a person who gives a crap about the club
Disruptive influence on the club? Yes he was, and mostly in a positive way. He's managed to show GFH in their true colours. Whilst we thought they were a positive force after Bates, Cellino clearly established that they were either crooks or incompetents, creating an ever bigger debt than Bates had rung up. This took time to uncover, prompting a delay in purchasing ER. Academy staff. He got rid of 2 ex-players. Why is this a massive joke? McContract. I think we've done this one to death. And I thought we'd agreed that it was a good move for the club that he left. We got pots of money we shouldn't have got, we got rid of someone who was a disruptive influence and wanted to leave, and, oh yes, someone who wanted to be remembered for getting Fulham promoted. There's also the possibility that he might have had a stinker of a season. After all, he's had plenty of practice! The man has made a few mistakes, but he's put his hands up to each one. Just like Bates & GFH did. Oh, no, they didn't, did they? They were as good as gold.
I don't think has he been positive for the club. The players are second tier Italian league players. We're going to get relegated and don't tell me that everything is hunky dory and we're going to get promoted. He's brought in the likes of Hockawally and the one from Austria sorry his name alludes me right now. At the end of the day we'll look back at a certain owner and be glad of the day we had with him. Yes I'm talking about Bates and that's hard for me to say cos I do hate him. I think sacking Academy Staff is a joke. The club has produced some brilliant players through our Academy. However looking at it I really don't think we'll need the academy whilst Celino is in charge cos we're going to buy player from Italy. Yes £11 million is good business in the Championship. I'm not surprised he wanted to the leave the club under this charlatan. To be honest I'd be wary of Celino tells me. I'm not saying that GFH or Bates were Angels far from it but under Bates and Grayson the club were in a lot better position and going forward. I can only see the club getting relegated under Celino
You still don't get it about the Academy, do you? Only 2 ex-players were let go. Do you think they were the only coaches at the Academy? I watched the development team in Harrogate pre-season. I counted about 8 coaches there in a quick 10 second count. And don't tell me that the first team coaches were there - they were still in Italy at the time. Redfearn himself has said that they're fine for coaches at the Academy. Tell me exactly why you think differently? Best of luck with your 'Bring Back Bates' campaign, btw. Kinda sums up your posts in this thread for me.
Coaching staff point taken and very clearly. I'm not on a bring Bates back campaign far from it. I'd rather have somebody who is beneficial to the club not Celino. However I'll wait for us to have 6 managers in one season and for us to lie bottom of the table with Blackpool above us before I reserve true judgement
Sorry about labouring the coaching point - we've had this point come up time after time. I'm all for criticism where it's due, but if an inaccuracy is repeated often enough, it becomes legend, hence my voracious defence of Cellino on this point. You could be right. We might get relegated. And as Eire pointed out in another thread, it might just be exactly what we need. I really don't think so myself, but I do know for a fact that relegation would have been the best-case scenario if GFH had remained in power. Going bust was the most likely result. Poor old Cellino is taking abuse for fixing the mess that GFH & Bates left behind. I do think it's a bit unfair to batter him relentlessly (btw Wolfie, these are general comments - not aimed at you).
