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Ian Thumwood said:
The thing about nuclear weapons is that no one seems to understand the whole irony about them. For starters, no one is even going to use them and therefore it seems absolutely stupid to squander money on something that is never going to be used. In these days of "low-tech" terrorism, there are plenty of other ways for nutters to kill people.

The elephant in the room is obviously the fact that each political party is trying to maximise it's "green credentials" and it seems ridiculous for a political party to say one moment that we should limited our carbon footprint and limit harmful omissions whilst saying on the other hand that we would be prepared to use nuclear weapons. I suppose at least Trump is consistent in wanting to have both options available with which to destroy the planet .
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The worry is that some nutter WILL use them !
 
Ian Thumwood said:
The thing about nuclear weapons is that no one seems to understand the whole irony about them. For starters, no one is even going to use them and therefore it seems absolutely stupid to squander money on something that is never going to be used. In these days of "low-tech" terrorism, there are plenty of other ways for nutters to kill people.

The elephant in the room is obviously the fact that each political party is trying to maximise it's "green credentials" and it seems ridiculous for a political party to say one moment that we should limited our carbon footprint and limit harmful omissions whilst saying on the other hand that we would be prepared to use nuclear weapons. I suppose at least Trump is consistent in wanting to have both options available with which to destroy the planet .
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It's all about parity of force, simple as that. Some countries want to be able to display their strength to the nth degree. Some countries realise that it's cyclic argument and that there is no winner. A country can then decide whether nuclear weapons really are a worthwhile deterrent or not. I had always thought that their only strength is that they 'push away' the idea of major war. But the world can have some pretty damn destructive wars without nuclear weapons becoming involved, so maybe that's a ridiculous argument these days too. The bottom line is that the nuclear weapon genie is out of the bottle and we can't un-invent them, and at the moment, they are still the biggest destructive force there is available, per £. Awful, isn't it.

Personally, I've been coming to the conclusion these latter years that they really are a waste of time for the UK. We won't press any nuclear button first, and these days we won't even do it without the USA's say-so, so we'll never do it, first or second. We could easily do what Germany and other countries do and allow nuclear weapons to be fielded on home soil should it become necessary. And we already have mutually assured destruction anyway, so what is the point? We aren't protecting an empire anymore.
 
Beefy said:
And it won't be a country. If any one uses a nuke it will be some random terrorist with a dirty bomb, not some country firing them.
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This is the one remaining argument. The nutter. Mind you, the nutter individual isn't able to provide the rocket delivery system.

Surprisingly, you may think, I don't believe that N.Korea are part of that nutter country category either.
 
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TheSecondStain said:
This is the one remaining argument. The nutter. Mind you, the nutter individual isn't able to provide the rocket delivery system.

Surprisingly, you may think, I don't believe that N.Korea are part of that nutter country category either.
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Like I said it'll be a dirty bomb remotely detonated, not a missile. No one running a country is insane enough to launch a nuke.
 
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TheSecondStain said:
It's all about parity of force, simple as that. Some countries want to be able to display their strength to the nth degree. Some countries realise that it's cyclic argument and that there is no winner. A country can then decide whether nuclear weapons really are a worthwhile deterrent or not. I had always thought that their only strength is that they 'push away' the idea of major war. But the world can have some pretty damn destructive wars without nuclear weapons becoming involved, so maybe that's a ridiculous argument these days too. The bottom line is that the nuclear weapon genie is out of the bottle and we can't un-invent them, and at the moment, they are still the biggest destructive force there is available, per £. Awful, isn't it.

Personally, I've been coming to the conclusion these latter years that they really are a waste of time for the UK. We won't press any nuclear button first, and these days we won't even do it without the USA's say-so, so we'll never do it, first or second. We could easily do what Germany and other countries do and allow nuclear weapons to be fielded on home soil should it become necessary. And we already have mutually assured destruction anyway, so what is the point? We aren't protecting an empire anymore.
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I think someone has eventually got to say nuclear weapons are a waste of money and lead by example by ditching the things. They are effectively a rich vanity project - a white elephant.
 
Beefy said:
Former high ranking office in the Met. Guy tells it how it is.
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My Brothers 2 brothers in law are Policemen , they say it's a nightmare . and when was the last time you saw 2 police in a police car ?

999 call , Police turn up , then have to call for back up , it's too bloody stupid for words !
 
Number 1 Jasper said:
My Brothers 2 brothers in law are Policemen , they say it's a nightmare . and when was the last time you saw 2 police in a police car ?

999 call , Police turn up , then have to call for back up , it's too bloody stupid for words !
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But we got loads of them police that can't do anything and walk around in a different uniform!

( I am being sarcastic)
 
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