Off Topic OLOF's political thread

Roses are red
Violets are blue
This poem doesn't rhyme
And I don't care.

 

GO **** YOURSELF YOUR AN IDIOT , I KNOW YOUR SINGLE AS NO ONE COULD PUT UP WITH THAT GOB OF YOURS

 

I know, but it should be

Nope, Bill Clinton was also acquitted

You think this was because of a nationwide popular support or a determination to rid us of Trump ?

Yes, by Trump's actions and behavior in office

Most pointedly, his attempt to destroy democracy in the USA and to impose basically a form of borderline fascist dictatorship

He's the worst ever
There just is no debate
No US president has ever displayed the sheer contempt for law and order he has done.
He has divided the nation and caused damage to is reputation around the world that will take generations to repair
Oh and he tried to impose a dictatorship on us

Trump makes him look like a saint

Not even close.

Bush Jr was a bad president, I grant you
But Trump was out to serve the interests of Donald Trump and no-one else
He worked a fraction of the hours previous presidents did
Mr "I won't have time for golf" spent more time on the golf course than any previous president
His "rousing" pep talk to US troops during his surprise Thanksgiving visit to Afghanistan summed him up - he talked about how well the stock market was doing as his big achievement - so it's not like the troops weren't fighting for anything
And who can forget his 63 second press "conference" when he announced that the stock market had breached a "sacred" number
But his abiding memories are the naked attacks on democracy

Yes, Trump really was worse than that.

 

Says the man who spouts off in all caps and is so ignorant of basic grammar, he doesn't know how to contract "you are".

(It's "you're" not "your")

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers." - quote attributed to Socrates


Far easier to hurl obscenities in lieu of a rational argument isn't it ?

 

Were you unable to reply to the debate on democracy Vs republic - or do you really think that debate is best contested by who can hurl the most obsenaties and shout the loudest ?

(Both are Trump traits Btw)

 

Wow! I can't reply to that because it's your opinion which would make it an argument and you seem to be arguing with enough people already.
I do appreciate the insult as well, thanks.

 

All caps again, you're really not very good at this debating business are you ?

What "dirty dealings" do you suggest President Joe Biden is guilty of ?
What "Quid Pro Quo" ?

Is your contribution really to spout unsupported lies in all caps ?

You realize that this makes no sense - even for allowing the use of all caps ?
Are you saying that under Obama, the USA had the second "highest" (from that I assume you're using stock market indices) economy?
That's what "The ONLY president...higher than under Obama" would infer ?

Or is it that you're just incapable of expressing a coherent argument ?

I think you mean the "Steele" dossier - and no there was no attempt to overturn the 2016 election

Though there was an in depth investigation into election misconduct and election law that saw many of Trump's supporters/aides jailed. Michael Cohen for example
Trump, as president, could not be arrested or charged.

Nope it was Trump (and various Republicans) who openly advocated (if not outright coercion) the re-opening of schools and then suggested, by Twitter, that it was "unsafe" to hold election in November and that elections should be suspended - presumably with him still as PotUS until he deemed it was safe for us to enter a polling station

Mitch McConnell himself slapped down Trump's suggestion saying that not even the Civil War had prevented elections in the past

LOL

Nope - NO states had "Biden over 100% of the vote" - and you're not even regurgitating Trump's lies correctly now
He claimed that in some states (surprise surprise it's only those he LOST) the number of votes exceeded the size of the electorate. And that is a lie too

Please name a single state where you claim this happened. Please state the number of votes cast and the size of the electorate.

That's the trouble with lies, occasionally you need to back them up with a little thing called EVIDENCE
Trump and his supporters filed about 60 lawsuits based on these lies and almost all were thrown out by the judge because there was NO evidence

And that includes judges that Trump himself appointed

And that includes two lawsuits to the US Supreme Court, dismissed by a 9-0 ruling (even the SC justices that Trump nominated voted against him). So go on then genius, exercise that vast legal brain of yours and explain that.

Nope, see above
And while the Democrat party is seen as "Leftist" in the USA, it would be seen as "rightist" in the UK and is broadly equivalent to the Conservative Party

I note that you have posted some clip from Sky News - a company Rupert Murdoch once owned
Why don't you go further and post clips from his US outlets like Fox News?

Murdoch's Fox News is derided as a Trump propaganda network and not a serious news outlet. Though hilariously, Trump's rabid supporters now view it as too liberal and are seen the chant "Fox News sucks" while protesting as the outlet dared to defy Trump and call Arizona for Joe Biden.


Sorry my friend, but it is YOU who need to check some facts before spewing lies defending Trump.

 

No insult intended, but to say Bush Jr was a worse president that Trump is patently laughable.

 

Do you have a source on that ?

Trump's own party (which held a majority in the Senate) opposed that

The Democrats control of the Senate is wafer thin and not all Democrat senators support the package. Indeed to get any measures through EVERY Democrat senator has to support it
Not that you'd know that.

President Biden was not involved in deciding to impeach Trump, indeed he wasn't even president

So Hilary colluded with Russia ?
Or made it, so it looked like Trump did ? (are you going to suggest that she actually orchestrated the steady drip of Wiki-leaks against herself in 2016?)

Go on, produce your evidence to support those lies.

Because you are beyond clueless.

 

You're deluded.

 

Makem if your about I’ve got to say your one hell of a wind up merchant
It’s like fishing for trout in the mayfly season
A bite every cast

 

I don't think so

A survey of American political commentators, placed Trump in 44th (and last) place.

And that was before his pathetic post election antics and his naked attempt to hang on to power last month.

https://kulturehub.com/presidential-scholars-trump-worst-president-ever/

Other surveys have him second or third worst, but I have yet to see one where he placed higher than Bush Jr.

 

The New York Times?

Find me one positive story about Trump from the New York Times. It's a partisan rag. Real journalism died years ago.

The worst thing about it is that you don't even realise that you've been brainwashed.

Let me guess, you hate Fox News too?

I don't care what happens to Trump but he wasn't the President he was painted.
In his time the US opened a dialogue with North Korea.
They got the Middle East talking to each other.
The things you probably despise about him, he promised in his campaign.
He's been replaced by a 78 year old failed career Politician who has done fk all in his 40 years in Washington.
Biden can hardly string a sentence together. He's a puppet but you won't see that.

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/special...s/slideshows/the-10-worst-presidents?slide=11

 

80 million yanks must be straight out of the bayou swamps then going off that scholars survey....and if the new York times commissioned it well enough said you don't get any fairer

 

LOL

Bashing the source - mental redoubt #1 of those without an argument themselves
(redoubt #2 Btw is bashing the number of sources - ONLY one source)

Here's one published by USA today that places Trump third worst - and still well below Bush Jr


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...siena-presidential-ranking-survey/2857075002/

Would anyone being "brainwashed" include anyone not supporting Trump....or those political academics who rated Trump the worst and third worst president respectively ?

Absolutely !!!

It's more a propaganda channel akin to the old Soviet newspaper Pravda

They just fired another presenter (who had the top rated show on Fox Business) because he kept repeating debunked lies about Dominion voting machines and a "stolen" election, and they're **** scared of paying 10's of millions in a defamation lawsuit that names Fox Btw

Did you know that ?

He was worse than our worst nightmares

LOL

Yeah and they openly tested a nuclear capable rockets a short while after Trump returned to the USA in a self proclaimed triumph akin the Neville Camberlan's return from Munich in 1938
"I have in my hand, a piece of paper signed by the German chancellor..."



"As North Korea fired off a series of missiles in recent months...Trump has repeatedly dismissed their importance as short-range and “very standard” tests...
Kim Jong-un, North Korea’s leader, Mr. Trump explained recently, just “likes testing missiles.”
...American intelligence officials have come to a far different conclusion: that the launchings downplayed by Mr. Trump have allowed Mr. Kim to test missiles with greater range and maneuverability that could overwhelm American defenses in the region...."


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/02/world/asia/north-korea-kim-trump-missiles.html

No he didn't. The recent dialogue in the ME has nothing to do with Trump
Indeed he increased tensions when he publicly recognized Jerusalem as the capital on Israel in 2018
He destabilized the ME when he reneged on the US-Iran nuclear deal
He further destabilized the ME when he publicly condoned (if not outright encouraged) Turkey's ethnic cleansing of Kurdish groups (that the USA had agreed to protect)...
...then pulled out of Syria so fast that US bases were left intact so that he ordered the USAF to bomb America's own bases. Shortly afterwards they were taken over by Russian troops
Trump likes Russia and refused to investigate claim that Russia had placed "bounties" oin US troops that the Muj killed in Afghanistan
He also exonerated Russia for it's clear cyber attack on the USA and tried to deflect blame to the Chinese

Trump has behaved like a Russian agent

Like what ?
He promised to pay off and then just to reduce the national debt - but it got bigger
He promised to close the trade gap - but it got wider
He promised to waste 10's of millions on building a wall - he did waste the money but the wall never got built
Oh and he promised that Mexico would pay for it - but they didn't pay a dime.

Prior to the election, he was asked what his agenda would be if re-elected. He gave a non-answer and rambled on about how important experience was

Er, he's served as Vice President and has a 40 year+ career in the Senate
Already President Biden has one of the highest approval ratings of a new president (56%) whilst Trump's approval never got over 50%.

For failure, look at Trump:
Failed airline
Failed university
Failed (and bankrupted) casino
He is reported to be $1.3 billion in debt
He faces dozens of lawsuits now he's no longer president - chief among them is the $300 million he needs to repay to Deutsche Bank that he's personally guaranteed and who no longer want to do business with him.
Indeed, Trump's brand is now so toxic, he's losing money on his properties all over the USA

President Biden is no puppet and yes it's true he's fought all his life with a speech impediment

Trump would go off script at his rallies, often to hilarious degree
I still remember his attempt to pronounce Tendulkar's name, when in India, or his references to the African state of "Nambia".

You can actually search YouTube for a collection of Trump's worst attempts at public speaking.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54124996

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Korea–United_States_Singapore_Summit

I don't support Trump. I've said before that I'm amazed the US can't find better candidates than him and Biden.

I think Andrew Yang would have been a good choice but he didn't have the support of those who have the money.

Without Big Tech, Google, Twitter, Facebook and especially rich campaigners like Michael Bloomberg, Biden would never have been elected.
He's a multiple failed Presidential candidate running with a failed Presidential candidate as his Vice.

I watch ABC, MSNBC, CNN and Fox News. Find me a dissenting voice on the others because Fox News has them.
Chris Wallace, who chaired the Presidential debate, is a Fox News presenter who doesn't support Trump.

You wouldn't know because you only see one side.

 

All this and still never got impeached....as much as he is in the cowshit he must still wield enough power over something that prevents him going under....perhaps Soros secretly backs him,now that would be headline news bet you supported the chiefs in the recent bowl ...I mean didn't that naughty boy have a maga hat behind him in an interview... orange man bad

 

Yes Biden is old and I don't think he'll seek a second term but I think it was more of a priority to get rid of Trump.

President Biden will not be like Trump and do whatever he likes. Biden is a career politician and will above all respect laws and the Constitution.

He may still be, but he is too young IMO and didn't carry a broad enough voter appeal.

I liked what Cory Booker had to say and I'm a fan of Stacey Abrams

You're sounding like Trump

Twitter allowed Trump's poisonous Tweets for years and Trump would routinely spend hours Tweeting and posting re-Tweets. We'd never had presidency by Tweet before
Just how did "big tech" help Biden. Trump raised hundreds of millions from the big commercial NY banks and big corporate business. Don't fool yourself as to who the corporate dollars went to.

Just how is Joe Biden a failure ?
It's hardly a disgrace for Kamala Harris to have lost to Joe Biden in last year's primaries - Biden, as Obama's VP, carried a far greater political "pedigree"

Sorry but that's one of the more stupid comments you've made.

The fact that Wallace doesn't throw "softball" questions doesn't make him anti-Trump

Fox News was definitely pro-Trump. It just didn't employ antri-Trump presenters

I watch MSNBC and CNN mainly, though sometimes ABC news. I also watch on-line outlets like The Damage Report, The Ring of Fire, The Dollemore Daily and the David Pakman show. I don't know where you live but you can catch them on YouTube.
I also watch Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO.

I also debate Trumpists on other forums and so am well versed with Trump apologists claims.

If no-one on the non-Fox main stream media says the election was stolen, it's because it wasn't.