http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25235277 I don't think a sin bin makes sense unless the game changes to an in-play clock, i.e. games are 60 minutes and the clock stops when the ball goes out of play. Otherwise we will see the 15 minutes (or whatever the length is) after a player is sin-binned grind to a halt. And if someone timewastes do they then go into the sin-bin?
This as been discussed to death over the years. Its a no go as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't be keen on the in-play clock either. We'd see adverts etc creep in over time making the game even more American!
Ridiculous idea. What if the keeper get's a yellow card? Do you have to put someone else in goal while he's off the pitch? In Rugby, yellow cards aren't just given for fouls they're much more rare so you only get a couple a game really. In football you could get a period where both teams have lost 3 or 4 players and no one wants that. A more feasible idea would be if a player gets 2 yellow cards they get a sin bin rather than a red. Not a fan of sin bins in football but think that would be a better way of doing it than just 1 yellow card.
The one thing from Rugby I'd like to see in football is the respect for the referees! Therefore, I think they should concentrate on respect for referees (including trying to cheat the referee) before coming up with solutions for non-problems. Other than captains, players arguing with the referee should get a automatic one game ban. The referee should wear a mic so that everything that is said to them is recorded too for evidence.
One big thing is referees wearing microphones so if players are abusing them everyone in the ground can hear it. Yes it may shock a few people at first but there would then be no complaints if the ref then sent a few of them off for the language they used and it should then heed as a warning to the rest that abusing the ref will lead to a red card and also give you/the club a bad reputation to the rest of the public. edit: Just read the 2nd part of your post and yes
Works in fast paced 11 aside hockey but then hockey also has a green card. Green=yellow Yellow=10 minute red Red=off for good.
That's the only Area I think it would improve on. Green for warnings. Yellow (10) minutes for a bad tackle , red for violent conduct... Lesser option for trigger happy refs , lesser option for pussies like in the Everton match. 10 minute off better than getting away with altogether?
The funniest thing was watching Blatter's reaction. He hates Plattini and veto's any idea that comes from him. I've got a different take - maybe the 10/15 minute sin-bin could be used for a professional foul in the penalty area?
Interesting thought. Rugby League use an in-play clock and the game does not suffer in the way that you suggest. Plus it does cut out all the contention as to just how much time has been either lost or wasted. I like that idea much more than a sin-bin.
I may be wrong as I don't follow it but doesn't Rugby League put the game first and everything else second? We know that the FA will sell to the highest bidder in this country, aka the TV deals. In other words, its money first and football second. It wouldn't take long for them to sell adverts too.
I'm not getting at you G - honest. Refs have the abuse siruation in their own hands. Visit each dressing room before the match and warn both sides that if the mob the ref they will recieve a yellow card for unruly behaviour. Advise each team that they can only approach the ref officially if they are accompanied by their Skipper. Enforce those rules. End of issue!
I couldn't agree more. However, it will take every referee to take the same and (key bit) consistent action. How much abuse would the first referee that does it get? The players know they shouldn't do it now but they still do because they know they can get away with it because it would be the referee that faced the backlash. Stick a mic on them so everyone can hear it and it takes the pressure off the referee.
Stick a Mike on every ref, record but don't broadcast live. Ref sends off for abuse and the club can't complain or the FA will release the recording.
If the ref sends players off for it then the fans will kick up a fuss unless they hear what its for. Not broadcasting it will not stop the players to the same degree as it won't damage their reputations.
meh... undecided. sin bin is ok but what for... breaking someones leg... some yellows are handed for this. cursing at the ref... diving.. what? its all a load... in rugby it is for persistent foul play really... maybe for a dangerous high tackle. I do agree however that a in game clock is needed as someone sin binned could simply see a side hoof the ball into the crowd and suddenly... no ball for a minute or two balls on the pitch.. mourinho would have a field day. in rugby the line is under pressure but you can compete. in football it it difficult as if you sin bin a defender someone has to step in and the whole shape of each line is disrupted. I think actully... nah.. just maybe add a sillybugger card.. ie time wasters, and such get a lesser card that refs have to give.. refs just don't give yellows cos they save them up to avoid two yellows and a red in games... make up some card that if someone takes thier shirt off celebrating or time wastes or kicks the ball away or whatver.. calls the ref blind... 2 = yellow, one more = off.
No but it can be phased in 2 years, they won't do it live at first for footballers because broadcasters with sponsors listening would never risk it: the very idea that someone like Rooney could control himself. Because he can't. Record it, send him off and keep increasing the ban for each offence. Tapes are there merely to stop Moyes claiming he was saying Rooney actually said "will you be my friend ref" Once you've instilled a level of discipline amongst the players , you can then make it live with the suspensions doubled for live offences. Any player thick enough to do it after that can sit on the bench a lot. Fans kick up a fuss anyway. I trust them not to revert to some Tory stereotype of a football fan because they didn't hear it live. The crowd don't hear it live at rugby matches anyway. Only tv audiences.
Again it's weird. We all accept the sin bin works in conjunction with the Mike &stop clock in rugby. Rugby Union has actually got faster and faster as a game despite the introduction of these and video refs. Yet apparently it will do the opposite in football? In rugby, you clearly hear the ref giving constant instruction, points (just like a football ref does) to persistent fouling but instead of yellow with nothing it's a sin bin. But you're missing the important bit. Once in place the warning becomes enough. When a rugby ref calls the captain over and says one more bad tackle or one more inccident of time wasting then they're off, you listen. That's why cards are rare in a game that has a hell of a lot more technical infractions that could be used to "eat into the clock". If it's live like G says, then as tv fans you've heard the warning so cant argue (as much) when it happens. There's still room for human error. I still look at certain Union refs and think oh no him!
