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Piers, Ours or Meghans Rights.

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by wizered, Mar 11, 2021.

  1. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    I have been advised don't mention Brexit, Corbyn, LJ, Covid and now Meghan because they are all controversial subjects but this latest twist of the tail has irritated me and I feeI must ask ~

    'What the hell is going on with our right to freedom of choice and freedom of speech?'

    I am not a fan of Piers Morgan but surely he has got the right and freedom to say what he believes and express his opinions as long as it's with in the law.

    Why does he have to be restricted, summoned to an evening meeting with his employers, then told he has to publicly appologise for stating facts as he believes in them or get the sack, all because Meghan contacted ITV and issued a complaint she had been slighted, alongside all of the other allegations of racism by the royal family, the national media, in fact the British Nation is institutionally racist created by her recent interview.

    Talk about empowering the powerful, link this to Covid restrictions, BBC propoganda, Black lives Matter, the Woke projects,.the Scottish SNP and the way we are all being munipulated culturally, life is getting very worrying, it's got to be stopped.

    What ever happened to ~
    I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It.
     
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  2. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    I fully agree Wiz and we are being indoctrinated to only believe the mainstream media and their take and opinion on literally everything.
    The likes of the BBC, Sky, CBS etc don't want us to express differences of opinion to their own.
    Funny how BLM and Antifa have suddenly disappeared now the crooked and pocket lining Democrats are once again in power in the US. We're told to ignore and yet be sorry and responsible for things that happened hundreds of years ago. These people will always get the middle finger from me.

    There is going to be a civil revolt one of these days as it's apparently no longer acceptable to be English (or American), white, law abiding and working class nor is it acceptable to be a patriot or to respect others.

    And in terms of the Sussexes. California and Oprah are welcome to them. I would call them traitors.
     
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  3. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    'What the hell is going on with our right to freedom of choice and freedom of speech?'

    It is being eroded.

    To suggest Meghan Markle was factually incorrect (its a lie) on TV and its has been confirmed the factually incorrect was factually incorrect comes with it a risk of being labelled racist. A risk equal (?) to being called a *****phile.

    Live are being ruined, employment lost .. By malicious smears fuelled by identity politics.

    Freedom of speech has to be free of consequence when statements are legal or do not breach codes of conduct.
     
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  4. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    I'm not the monarchy's greatest fan.
    I'm not a republican either - I recognise the value in having a symbolic monarchy rather than an elected president, but they are long overdue for an overhaul.
    The problem for them, is that the world has run out of other royalty for them to breed with, which means that they are having to dip into the gene-pool of 'common' folk, who hold other values above propping up the institute of the monarchy.
    I thought that this would end in tears when MM first came on the scene. There is a precedence in history with Edward VIII and Mrs Simpson. MM isn't a royal and she isn't British. Why then would she care about upsetting them? It doesn't matter if she's lying - she has the stage and people are listening.
    As for Piers Morgan - I think he's an arrogant c@ck, but I totally agree with Wiz that he should be able to voice his opinions without being gagged.
    This society is in self-destruct mode and won't stop until we are totally destroyed.
     
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  5. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Aside from the Queen I have no time for any of the other members of the Royal Family
    Throughout her reign the Queen has remained dignified and calm while her dysfunctional family prove just how out of touch with reality they are.
    I must say I did have higher hopes for Harry as potentially being someone who would brush aside tradition and be more of a normal person. But then he met her and all her baggage. I firmly believe she expected royal life to be all ball gowns and socialising, not actually having to any form of work for a living.

    If I'm allowed to say all that without facing a firing squad tomorrow of course.
     
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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    IMO the first lie in that interview was that she didn't do her research on what it would be like to be involved with a Prince.....absolute BS...
    From that point, who knows what was truth and what wasn't!!
    I used to like Piers, but lost a lot of respect from me with his constant criticism towards the government in the handling of this so say pandemic....but we do need people like him to give a voice whether we like it or not to hold those in charge to account for failures.
    Freedom of speech is essential as is freedom of choice......to be held to account of what you can say and what you can do IMO goes against our basic human rights.
    It's suffocating being buried in so much cotton wool and it seems to get worse with time...
     
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  7. Red Alert

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    I like Piers Morgan for not treating people like a protected species. imagine if he was the interviewer instead of Oprah. Why do you think you get security when you decided to leave the Royals? Why are you still using the titles? How could you go on 13 holidays and not leave your house for months? What happened to your passport? What are the rules on Archie becoming a prince???? why do you not know all these rules?

    Racism is being used by the left to control people. its bullying . wheres the pm supporting the Royals on this??? wont speak on it.

    is this the world our ancestors our parents fought in wars to create???
     
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  8. realred1952

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    I to am not a great fan of Piers Morgan, although used to enjoy his time on the reality progs with Simon C …..
    Freedom of speech is actually more complicated than just saying " you can say what you want!" .. there are ground rules and some seem trivial and once you start to uncoil the string you find a few more knots!
    Hopefully without stirring the loins of ROD!!! .. I was pointed in the direction of "what someone really means" when you are trying to sell something.. facial expression and body movement etc.. it sort of works in interviews and debates...
    Some of the questions were well orchestrated and likewise the answers … add in the need to make it worth watching, with the usual nice stuff! doesn't put bums on seats and viewing figures = £'s to pay their fee ..£3-4m? then what a show from a D LIST actress with a chip on her shoulder! .. there were no signs of emotion/remorse etc just a steely frontal spewing of over worked words designed to be a controversial attempt at "oh pity me"..
    11m viewers.. hardly a massive "hit" more can watch one of our daily soaps!....
     
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  9. AshtonRed

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    The trouble with those types of interviews is they are one sided, who knows what actually happened. I didn’t watch it, I’ve no interest at all.

    As to whether Piers Morgan should have said what he did, as a journalist I guess he should try to stay neutral, it’s not out of character though he’s always controversial and opinionated.
     
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    a very good question … a bit like damned if you do damned if you don't!
    The statement released by BP is an extremely good one … not controversial, no accusiation toward anyone and certainly not propagating the bitterness that someone is trying to stir up! The PM is not part of the argument … the .gov is not a part. Individuals as individuals can have opinions but not as part of an institution like parliament or business.
    Piers M is employed to be controversial and have an opinion … his female cohort is less of a human being in respect to this argument saga .. and many others. I got the impression of OPPORTUNISM ON HER PART after her "SPEECH" yesterday! ….OK is it 500 complaints about him , well his comments the Ofcom are sifting through? ...WELL I would suspect that using a coarse sieve and taking out repeat complainants that could easily be halved, a finer mesh likely to eliminate band waggoers, and a fine mesh would leave a few that should they be investigated could easily be attributed to freedom of speech ...but actually moreso so an individuals right to express their opinion
     
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    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Staying neutral and not voicing an opinion, or rather being neutral and voicing an opinion that others don't want to hear or believe is what is needed to strike the balance. It might make people think for once rather than being told how they should act and what they should believe.
    I'm no fan of Piers Morgan but I wish there were more like him.
     
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    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Susannah Reid is yet another non entity attention grabber (when it suits her) and like Naga Munchetty I refuse to watch TV when either of them is on and I never watch ITV anyway.
     
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    think I have covered that in my previous post … I don't think his programme is journalism, as journalism goes more of a "hybrid conglomeration of facts and news in real life terms"
     
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    This man is voicing an opinion.

     
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    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    I don’t watch it so I can’t comment, but Piers Morgan is a journalist isn’t he ?
     
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    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Good old Wikipedia describes Piers Morgan as - 'an English broadcaster, journalist, writer, and television personality'
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    bit of everything ….modern day terminology would class him as a hybrid .. a mixture of more than 1 !
     
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    Does that suggest his role on the program is as a journalist? I would think so,

    BTW on balance I tend to agree with his comments, and with the right to be able to view them, I just question whether the platform he used was the correct one,
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    is a broadcaster a journalist or a journalist a broadcaster? I think NO to that in general ..... a very high % close to 99.9 of broadcasters do just that, a few of either ilk do both.. at same time ..sometimes but usually under job title …. bit like an explorer or adventurer you can be one or other or both!
     
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    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    I was say it was as a TV presenter, but who knows.
    And as for the platform he used, I guess it gave him more exposure to more people than a lot of other avenues might otherwise have done.
     
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