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Petrol Prices: How is this allowed?

Discussion in 'Cardiff City' started by Swamp, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. Swamp

    Swamp Well-Known Member

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    unless you have been living under a rock for the past month or so, you would have noticed that its now over 140p / litre for petrol, and 150p / litre for diesel, and i want to know why its allowed to get so out of hand....

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-filling-petrol-tank-weekly-food-shop.html

    people are now paying more for their weekly petrol than weekly food shop FFS.

    with 30 million cars on UK roads, all paying 80p / litre tax, you'd think we'd be running a massive, massive budget surplus and all the roads would be in perfect nick. bollocks, the roads are crap and we run a massive deficit which will take decades to pay off.

    whats even more laughable is that i believe there is VAT charged on the fuel duty, so effectively a tax placed upon a tax.

    i cant afford to run a car, i passed about a year ago and insurance was about £3000 / year and although i was considering stretching myself to have a car, i'm glad i didnt as it probably would be taking my last penny from me.....
     
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  2. Kifflom!

    Kifflom! Well-Known Member

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    It's outrageous. Petrol has been used as a cash cow for donkeys years by successive governments and it's actually harming the economy. The political party that comes in and agrees to slash duty will get in. No doubt. It'll also stimulate the economy instead of strangling it. I'm lucky I don't need the car that much and we tend to walk or cycle everywhere but not everyone is so lucky.

    My son commutes to Caerphilly every day and the cost is staggering. <grr>
     
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  3. bongojack

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    1,Greed,2,Control,..they want us to use extortionately priced public transport,by making fuel prices even more extortionate
     
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  4. Swamp

    Swamp Well-Known Member

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    i've been on trips / holidays to switzerland and germany recently and their public tansport is cheap, on time, quick and integrated with buses etc so that its not actually necessary to own a car. here they are expensive, unreliable, slow and dirty.

    if they get a 9/10 i'd give us a generous 2/10, they really are the pits.

    as for petrol, i remember the chancellor in his budget 13 months ago saying he was reducing fuel duty by 1p and 'fuelling britains recovery' and that 'britain is open for business' with his budget.

    he must take us for mugs, which, most people in this country must be, in all honesty. my sister (18) got a poll card through the post and i asked her who she would vote for...she didnt even know which party was in office FFS, a whole generation of people like that means that people will accept disgusting legislation like this.
     
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  5. Kifflom!

    Kifflom! Well-Known Member

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    When I lived in Australia distrusting politicians was a national past time. We're like bloody sheep here.
     
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  6. ThaiCanary

    ThaiCanary Well-Known Member

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    It is shocking - it has even gone up to about 78p a litre here <yikes>

    That helps to give everyone a clue about how much tax the UK government are taking :mad:
     
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  7. Swamp

    Swamp Well-Known Member

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    i know thai.

    i dont want to turn this into a rant thread but hey.

    in the school debating society a few years back i decided to bring up the topic of the 'benefits lifestyle'. my idea was to make it degrading to collect your benefits, queue up in line for food stamps and do 10 hours litter picking for your free money which hascome from a pot earnt by hardworking people.

    i was clearly in the minority as other people were saying 'you cant do that, it must be embarassing for those people'.

    that attitude is why it has become a lifestyle for people to live of benefits. what should be a last ditch safety net is now treated by these scummy people almost as a weekly wage paid directly into your bank account. thanks labour.
     
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  8. BluefromBridgend

    BluefromBridgend Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for that TC - so you've got great weather, gorgeous babes not wearing much, cheap full, super beaches and terrific food. WTF are we all doing here, lets all go and join TC.

    The only way to change the fuel price situation is not to drive and reduce use of petrol. On the basis of demand and supply, there would then be over supply and prices would drop. However, how many of us can risk doing that? I could catch the train from Bridgend to Newport (and back) but I would have to get up earlier, get home later and it would cost me upwards of £50 per week to use the train. I costs me about £40 a week in petrol and I have more flexibility and I need to use my car to go out for business meetings.

    Unfortunately the government and oil companies realise that many of us are in that situation and have us by the round, hairy bits. It needs action on a national scale to change this.
     
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  9. ThaiCanary

    ThaiCanary Well-Known Member

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    Yeah - it's a really ****ty life <laugh>
     
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  10. ThaiCanary

    ThaiCanary Well-Known Member

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    In truth, the cost of living in the UK was the over-riding reason why I decided to turn my back on the country. Following a divorce I felt there was little or no chance of me being able to cope financially in England. While I only came out of the divorce with a little money (as most guys seems to), it was enough to enable me to start a life here where I had enough to buy a good size piece of land and build a three bed bungalow on it for under £25,000!
     
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  11. Swamp

    Swamp Well-Known Member

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    it may surprise some of you to hear that the UK actually receives the cheapest petrol prices before they tax the **** out of it. for this reason its the government which is to blame.

    fuel is a necessity for everyone nowadays...its the same as charging a £1 tax on a loaf of bread and blaming subsequent price rises on global warming, bad weather etc etc.
     
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  12. DaiJones

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    Over the last two years petrol has gone up an average of 30p Ltr.

    Thats £1.36 a gallon.

    Petrol prices in Wales and Northern Ireland have gone up more than average.


    The duty on a ltr is 58p and VAT is 24p = 82p


    The jump in VAT from 17.5% to 20% added 3p on every litre.
     
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  13. Swamp

    Swamp Well-Known Member

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    imagine what it would do for the economy if petrol cost 'only' say £1 / L, that would be one way to stimulate growth, not this phoney 1p 'reduction' which osborne came up with 14 months ago.

    has anyone heard of the fuel price escalator?

    'The Fuel Price Escalator (FPE) was the practice of automatically increasing hydrocarbon oil duty (better known as 'fuel tax') in the United Kingdom ahead of inflation. '

    'Tax increases above inflation have not ceased, however: the increase in fuel duty for 2009 was above inflation and the tax is planned to increase "on 1 April from 2010 to 2013 by 1 ppl above indexation in each year'

    how on earth do they think people have the money to pay for this? with people having either lost their jobs or on a pay freeze, after inflation they have less money, then petrol increases above inflation....total madness..
     
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  14. iggypop

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    This sort of comment generally typifies what Tory style Mail and Express readers think of the 'benefits' situation - but you are wrong only in part. I agree that people should be expected to 'earn' their benefit - especialy if there are jobs available (there aren't many at the moment with 2.65 million unemployed). The problem is that what the Tory business lobby then do is get people on benefits to 'work' i.e. give them a work placement enabling companies (some of them making billions every year in profits) to get people to work for next to nothing. So, the company gets cheap labour, and a real job is taken out of the figures - thereby fiddling the real unemployment and the 'claiming benefit' statistics. It suits business groups, and it suits the government who can say they are getting people in to work - but it's still just a way of fiddling the figures. What I do agree with is making people do 'voluntary / community' work which does not take a real job away from somebody else.
     
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  15. aberdude

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    all this murdering for oil weve done in iraq and afghanistan 2 <doh>......the only ones making a fortune is big companies and the government........they use this world and its people like toys and i for one am up for changing it through the power of violence.........we are sheep like aus says lets not pretend otherwise.........rise up or stay down,thats the choices weve got lads.....certain songs sum this world up and this one is no different [video=youtube;UTTszB1IkvU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTTszB1IkvU&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
     
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  16. aberdude

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    these english ****s got a lot 2 answer for voting for these pricks 2 govern us.........saying that the other partys are the same these days just not so nazi <ale>
     
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  17. aberdude

    aberdude Well-Known Member

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    compared 2 pop prices the worlds natural resources seem cheap if you ask me........how much is a bottle of coca cola these days?
     
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  18. aberdude

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    they should start selling cannabis for tax reasons.........why should the underground market take all this tax free monies..................?............not that im bias like......but i want good quality weed and im prepared 2 pay good money for it.......before i started growing myself i was spending 200 a month smoking weed.....how much could the goverment made out of me just one man per month hey.......fking lots i tell ya.......now take into account the amount of smokers in britain....we could and should be on the up,bucking trends like the state of california has since its liberal and intelligent views on cannabis.
     
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  19. DragonPhilljack

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    Swamp you have my sympathy mate, the insurance rates on young male drivers is extortionate, I bought a Corsa SRi for my son some 2 years ago, and he's not bothered to drive it or pass his test because he can't get the insurance premium under £1000, pounds, his first quote was £3014.00 we all laughed, but it's no joke, he's in Swansea Uni, and is hoping on his 19th birthday to have cheaper quotes!...............



    I regularly travel to France and back, and 18 months ago to fill up our diesel Zafira, would cost £49, but this year it cost £67! The diesel is cheaper in France, but not by much. Inflation is now only caused by Central Goverment!.................<ok>
     
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  20. geitungur akureyrar

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    We have a population of 320.000 and locally fuel is ISK262.00 for diesel and ISK266.00 for petrol, that is about GBP1.29 and GBP1.31. The tax is like this petrol taxes : ISK62,41 carbon tax : ISK7,30 but VAT is 25.5% also we have no refining capacity either but we have good social care. The British government takes many millions of pounds from you all but what do they do with all of it, not all of this money is spent wisely.
     
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