Pardew Staying?

Hope this isn't true but according to the Chron it looks like Pardew will be kept on next season. If true, I would review after a maximum of 10 games and take whatever action is required. One thing for sure we don't want to go through another season like this one as my heart will never last the pace.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-pardew-told-job-safe-3661404

 

Have to be honest and don't think anyone has a clue about what MA & DL will decide to do.

It wouldn't surprise me if they sacked him but equally I'd be far from surprised if they decide to keep him.

One thing is for sure though, if he does get sacked It'll be within 7-10 days of the season ending as our owner doesn't mess around and will want a new manager in place long before pre season starts.

 

Out of curiosity what kind of 'severance package' is Pardew expecting if his 11 zillion year contract is cut short?

 

They'll probably let him have his bollocks wrapped in a £20 note.

 

He won't go. He's just landed Ashley a massive cash bonus most of which won't be spent on new players.

We'll have much of the same next season when Ashley will do the minimum to keep Premiership survival. Face it, there's going to be no chance of any trophies ever with this owner.

 

Haha, yea, remember that time Swansea and Wigan spent loads on players in order to win trophies?

 

I doubt very much he'll stay.

As for his contract, it was always for show anyway. Ashley will have the required get out clause. The severance package will probably be he'll be let off with his debt and allowed to retain his his vital organs. Until death and then they become Mikes to sell on the black market.

 

Think this right, however the sources today seem to be suggesting he will definately be manager next season.

 

Feel so underwhelmed already for the new season with this sort of news. Anyway, if he does stay on then he will get my full support

 

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Twitter user @indykaila tweeted today:

Certain advisors to Mike Ashley have advise him to dismiss Pardew, no decision has been made. Forget the PR from #NUFC via source

We can all guess who the advisors are (can't say) and more meetings are planned, the board is split on #Pardew. Info via club source

Andy #Carroll waiting for #NUFC call. #LFC #WHUFC

I won't get optimistic about next season yet until something changes because I don't actually know who this Twitter user is but there is a glimmer there.

 

Agreed. The Chronicle haven't a clue just as no-one apart from Mike Ashley has. I wouldn't be that surprised if Llambias is moved to something else too; he's been just as shambolic as the workings of Pardew ...

 

Yes after being stung in the past there's no way Ashley would tie himself into something he'd have to pay a bomb to get out of... I imagine the 8 year contract was only valid if he managed to keep us in the top 8 or something.

I think there are positives to Pard's staying (consistency, giving him time, letting him off for a poor season given what he had to deal with and the 5th placed finish before), but also negatives (potential for the poor performances to continue even without Europa, getting the fans back onside will be nigh on impossible, some players look in need of a new manager to keep them motivated)... we'll see

 

Oh, no. Alan, Alan, Alan....staying up is an achievement?

I am serious...here's the quote;

"And I don’t care what anybody says, getting over the line with some of the misfortune we’ve had is an achievement.

“We’ve had three cruciate injuries (Ryan Taylor twice and Haris Vuckic) – no other club has had that.

“We missed key players at QPR – (Moussa) Sissoko, Shola Ameobi, Tim Krul and Davide Santon.

“All year we’ve had that, but we still got over the line. That’s the main thing.”

Is this fckign clown for real?! We've really missed Ryan Taylor and Haris Vuckic?! Ameobi is a "key player"?!

 

As someone who has wanted Pardew gone since january (I remember me and Jig of Delight, being the lone wolves saying he needs to go).

I won't be surprised if they keep him on. Despite the results, and the general terrible season. If you look at the bare facts, its a europa league semi final, and 13th in the league. (Possibly) That doesn't look terrible.

However, the general performances, the feel around the club and the guys inept ability to get the fans behind him and the players shows his lack of talent. He needs to be moved on. This season, we've lost 7-3 to Arsenal, 3-0 to Sunderland and 6-0 to Liverpool. The results are unacceptable, at some points this season, our team of internationals have looked like they couldn't survive in the championship, we've been pathetic. We've yet to score from a set piece and the only time we look like scoring is if we're gifted a goal, or we manage a penalty, and even then we don't have a designated penalty taker. It seems to change every game.

Being tired in Europe is no excuse to no longer play football, I feel for Mike Williamson the guy was basically told, "you hoof it up the field to cisse" and then he got all the stick for doing it. Players like Simpson and Anita have been sidelined despite, the fact that when they play, they play better than the people replacing them. The club is a shambles at the moment and Pardew is to blame. His team talks at half time do nothing but damage out chances of winning the game, his substitutions are predictable and woeful every EVERY time. They do nothing. Yesterday, why Gouffran for Oba? What a waste of time. Pointless. I'm only thankful that Ameobi is injured or he would of played him for sure. This club needs new signings, NOT FRENCH. And we need a new manager, can the board please go all out for Poyet, Martinez and Redknapp?

I agree thank God we're not in Europe Alan, and one day I hope I can say, thank God you're gone.

 

My worry is regardless how we start or the football we play, he won't be given a chance. As much as I would like to see people given time, you often have to go with the majority as they will make the situation untenable. If he stays he'll have my full backing as every manager does that walks through the door. If he goes I will wish him well and thank him for leaving in a much better state than when he joined squad wise.

I see my man for the job Poyet is considering his future after failure to gain promotion and was very coy about his plans. Ashley is a Chelsea fan too, former Chelsea legend.....................

I hope he would be the guy rather than big names or guys who have good track records but don't really fit the club ethos or what the fans relate to

 

personally i think we should keep him

gotta stop sacking managers every five minutes.
Pardew's record at NUFC:

took over and kept stable, mid table finish
took us to within a whisker of the champs league
had a tiny, injury-stricken squad and took us to europa league QF, but also nearly relegated.


Moyes finished in 17th once and all the Everton fans screamed for his head.
They kept him and the players realised he was the boss, regardless.
We should do the same.

 

I think he'd be a top choice to replace, though still doubt whether it's going to happen. It's a bit laughable, though, that people say "stability is what it's all about" without actually looking at the detail. They say Fergie was nearly out, but in his season of peril he won an FA Cup - when the FA Cup meant a HELL of a lot more than it does today. He spent money, and goodness knows what he did behind the scenes that meant the Fergie Fledglings could happen. The other two pointed at are Everton and Arsenal. Everton have qualified for the Champs League under Moyes, but what he inherited was a very old, dispirited team and again revamped it completely. Very similar to Ferguson, youth became king and through the ranks appeared a constant stream of talented individuals who gradually became the bedrock of a useful side. At the same time, Moyes has balanced the books with excellent transfer activity and thus has remained employed. His one flirtation with danger did not come playing awful football - it was more like what Lambert has just done, belief in his players, his youth and a style of play. Arsenal are the same, but at a higher level. This will be their last season flirting with Spurs for a while - the books are balanced, the debt is paid up, this Summer they will be heavy investors and that, coupled with Wenger's work behind the scenes on the youth, is why he's still there in spite of 8 years (only 8? lucky bastads) without a trophy.

Compare this to Pardew. His reliance on youth was both badly judged and badly managed. He remained loyal not to the likes of Sammy or Fergie, but to Obertan and Jonas. His teams have never played with a sense of identity and our flirtation with danger has arrived with shambolic football and no youth, with foreign imports preferred time and again over youthful exuberance. He doesn't balance the books, because he doesn't have that input - his MD does that for him, which is detriment to both his strength as a manager and the structure of the club. Not that we shouldn't balance those books, of course, but they should be done with the team performance in mind. This year, with our CB shambles in particular, that was not the case. I think any fan wants stability, but it has to come with 2 or 3 provisos; the quality of football, the good management of the team/club and the hope that better is still to come.

 

To be fair Fergie had more than one bad season Nedders, not just the 13th placing season. True he did save his job with an FA Cup win. But that was his third full season. However he also finished mid table in his 2nd season (11th) after finishing runners up the previous season (his first full season). He spent an absolute fortune relatively speaking too. Guess what he blamed? Injuries. He didn't actually win the league until his 5th full season and bought a lot of top players in that period. He was given a lot more rope than Pardew has been given so far, make no mistake. Don't think it was all rosy with SAF, a good portion of the fans wanted him out (banners et the whole shabang). Relative to Man U standing and their budgets he was every bit as bad as Pards. The football was poor, but over time he transformed it.

Moyes again very similar to be honest. Don't buy too much into the myth about balancing the books or nice football. Moyes himself admits his early days they didn't really play a nice brand of football, he was interested in results. Indeed their football was every bit as bad as Pardews the year they nearly went down. He had no Europe to place strain on his squad either but was unlucky with injuries. They got only 39 points and didn't win a game for the first two months of 2004! He did not do this with a youthful squad, it was full of experience? It bore very little resemblance to the Lambert approach of young local lads playing carpet football. It was functional football with experiencec players. See below:

1 GK Richard Wright
2 DF Steve Watson
3 DF Alessandro Pistone
4 DF Alan Stubbs
5 DF David Weir
6 DF David Unsworth
8 FW Tomasz Radzinski
9 FW Kevin Campbell
10 FW Duncan Ferguson
11 FW Francis Jeffers (on loan from Arsenal)
12 MF Li Tie
13 GK Steve Simonsen
14 MF Kevin Kilbane
15 DF Gary Naysmith
16 MF Thomas Gravesen
17 MF Scot Gemmill
18 FW Wayne Rooney
20 DF Joseph Yobo
21 MF Alex Nyarko
22 MF Tobias Linderoth
24 FW James McFadden
25 GK Nigel Martyn
26 MF Lee Carsley
27 DF Peter Clarke
28 DF Tony Hibbert
30 FW Nick Chadwick
31 MF Leon Osman
35 GK Paul Gerrard

It was only after the massive sales he was able to spend to accumulate the right kind of players. Don't forget he has spent big money in his time, some of it very poorly. Similar to Pardew it was off the back of major sales like Lescott 22m, Rooney 30m etc, just as Pards did with Carroll. Also Pardew was brought in and charged with overseeing the transition period from the likes of Barton, Nolan, Smith, Carroll and moving us on. He did that in his first year but has failed this year. The likes of SAF and Moyes are the perfect examples where they had failures after initial success.

To be honest you couldn't pick two worse examples of giving people time and the benefits of stability. There is a lot of similarities. You can mention the youth set ups but we won't know how he has done in that regard until 5 years time. Just the nature of youth work. He tried too early this season granted, maybe we'll produce better in time. He did persuade Ashley to invest in the youth structure and training ground etc, something he was not going to do previously. He was lauded by the fans for it (lots on here who are now calling for his head). The result sof Moyes and SAF' youth work was never seen until 5 years in, it would be wrong to judge Pardew on it after 2.

The only thing I'd temper the similarities with is whether you can really believe Pardew has the same character as SAF and Moyes. yes they were equally as beleaguered in their early days with fans having little trust in them. But they always had a passion and drive about them. Pardew has undoubted passion, can he drive us? I'm not sure but wouldn't mind finding out for once. However if the swell continues, I'm not sure we can progress with a backdrop of ill feeling.

Apologies for the monsterous post!

 

The whole problem with the Moyes analogy is at the time when Moyes finish 17th he was a fairly inexperienced manager and was still learning his trade. I fear with Pardew that what we see now is it and there isn't going to be much improvement. He is certainly not going the change the style of football he wants his teams to play I'm afraid.