I know this has been discussed many times before but it makes my blood boil everytime I see him in a Manure shirt and even more so when he scores. How his standards have fallen that he is happy to sit around and get the odd game against the likes of Aldershot (no offence). I wonder what his family really think of it all.I think I would disown him. Then again I suppose it's obviously only money now that motivates him else he would still be at Anfield.
He's a ****, always has been since he went to Madrid. Positive is though, he's adding 60k minimum to the United wage bill for doing exactly what you said - **** all!
IMO he shudda signed for the bitters, they could do with a fow in the box type with no transfer fee, and I suspect he will at the end of the season
I am ambivalent about Lil'Micky. I don't know I'd have him back, given his past history and knowing his pace has gone. Can't wish bad on him either. I do remember his doing his knee on his England comeback game some years ago, and instead of lying there and doing the sensible thing, crawling to the sideline on that damaged knee. And the following fury of the Newcastle fans as the layoff was quite extensive... I do remember his always wanting to play for England more than the Reds, and that annoyed me. Playing for the club should be every players' thought, and England should be something that comes out of performing for the club. Your club shouldn't simply be a stepping stone to England.
In the words of adele... i wish you nothing but the best... broken ankle possible. Thats what she meant right?
I can't share the dislike that is heaped upon both Owen and Mcmanaman for leaving. The both played their hearts out for the club whilst they were here and that's what I remeber. The only reason to dislike Owen for me is his decision to join United when he had other options open and knew what the reaction would be. The same goes for Torres. If he didn't want to play for us anymore then go. Not a problem and £50m was a nice little earner. The thing that made him a traitor to me was his initial comments after the transfer - there was no "lost in translation" argument to deflect the self-centred crassness!
I hate Owen as well, not to well received in Newcastle: [video=dailymotion;xj1wzn]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xj1wzn_michael-owen-s-return-to-st-james-park_fun[/video]
well we'll agree to disagree... while hate is a bad word I think total blanking of these guys is the right way to put it. They went from being "loved" to being pariahs over night and i think that is right. some guys like alonso who wanted to go but had class about it are lauded and love... hyppia for example too. Mcmanaman basically outright lied to the club, who were to be frank naive and amateurish anyway. he told us on a few occasions then come the january he was off. Owen did the same but rafa saw through him. again the amateur hour staff like parry bought his line. Mascherano wanted to go and talked and talked so he's not exactly top of the christmas card list. Torres is the same, loved to a pariah and i think the way athletico dealt with him left him thinking he could walk abck in here still a hero. how wrong! in the end owen and torres joined rivals.. owen in particular could have gone and done a lot of things but he took the option to sit on a bench or in a stand and maybe just maybe scrape enough games for a medal along the way... so he's more than a pariah he's utterly unwelcome and knows the hostility.
To be fair with Macca, yes he went on a free, but the story he puts about was that a couple of seasons prior, the club tried to sell him without even talking to him about it. He was hacked off about that, which I can understand, and when the opportunity came up, he took it to have a dig back. He obviously felt no loyalty or obligation to the club after the way they handled the attempt to transfer him without talking to him about it. Owen, however, forced the clubs' hand. I can see why, with the arrival of Cisse as a threat, but he didn't sign an extension to see what the new boss wanted, so Rafa made the right choice in selling a player reluctant to commit to the club. Decisive action which in hindsight Evans and/or Houllier should have taken with Macca.
I agree with mito on Owen. He's happy to sit on the bench and then wave a medal for a title he contributed very little to winning. There's nothing wrong with ambition, but if he really feels he deserves the Premier League medal then he's just fooling himself.
its not the fact that,like the others,he wanted to go,I can understand that wanting to try something new etc and as far as owen is concerned I think he didn't get a fair crack at Real. No its where he has ended up..how could he join manure and look so F***ing happy about it,its the biggest sin and totally unforgivable
Aldershot's Jermaine McGlashan on Twitter after he revealed that he had asked for Manchester United's Michael Owen's shirt after Tuesday's Carling Cup game and had been turned down: "He said why would I want his shirt!!! I said I appreciate good players etc..he sed no your alright!!! #BigTimeCharlie I Guess" Taken from the BBC Sport live feed.
in answer to kph. wanting to go is not the issue. alonso wanted to go in the end. aquilani wants to go now. garcia wanted to go, arbeloa wants to go. players fail to settle. The salient fact is not wanting to go or not but basically going further than merely not saying anything but actively lying about it. owen was actively buttering us up about negotiations..... mcmanaman did exactly the same. Torres mouthed off about us being his "english club" and time and again as he got higher and higher wages for doing less and less he repeated the claims. Mascherano coutrted anyone he could tevez like. In the end the players who showed a bit of class about it, honesty and respect for the club are the ones that fans and the club have great relations with.... for example the twitter feed and actual visits from explayers i mentioned above. Those who didn't do that are the guys who've got their moeny but no love from the fans. In the old days a molby or aldridge (prime examples) could not afford to annoy fans as they needed them for their future punditry and gigs. these days they've so much money that you get guys like say tevez who are pure mercenary. I think its quite healthy that the players we take exception to really get their eyes opened as examples to others. If you just behave, keep your mouth shut and go do your business with the club then I am fairly sure that if carroll or suarez wanted to go then the club would aks them no doubt to stay until we got the right offer and a replacement but that should be basic. these guys get enough money to do that.
No, they don't - they get far too much money. I would bet that no-one on the entire forum earns £50K per week in wages. most won't see that in 2 years. I know I won't. Its a basic lack of respect for the paying fan that is really annoying - with McManaman, some of it could be put down to how things were handled in respect of the Barca bid in '97. The truth of that still hasn't been established but if the club concluded a sale before telling Macca, I can see why he was narked. Loyalty cuts both ways. Owen deliberately ran down his contract and was forever putting country before club - his interviews were all about proving his fitness before the next international, rather than getting fit for Liverpool. I don't think Lil'Mick was badly treated by Liverpool, so his deliberate running down of his contract was cynical in the extreme, and left a bitter taste in the mouth which many Reds found hard to take. Perhaps Rafa could have tried harder to persuade him to stay, but in the end you want a player to want to play for the team, not just collect a wage and play at 80% if selected. Good luck to him if he thinks that is the way forward, but I'm glad he's not at Liverpool with that attitude...
well..... you are right that they earn so much, and again right that its a lack of respect for the paying punter. But in the end they are paid enough to hold on for 6 months unitl may and then move. And... and yes it cuts both ways cos we can see clubs not wanting to sell at all and "trapping" a player albeit on huge wages. modric and barry come to mind. Maschernao was convinced to stay one year by rafa. If a player wants to go the club and player should be able to sit down and agree when but in the end agents get involved and the power game starts. buying clubs get wind of situations and try to exploit it while the agent tries to maximise return for himself. If a player says i want to go in august or on the last day of january the strong chances are they've been tapped up and are colluding in forcing a sale too. We al lknow thats what torres did. I just think if a player acts with dignity, allows the selling club to get a fair deal and moves when appropriate for both parties, then and especially then the selling club really ought to allow him go where he wants to go. so whether or not torres wanted to go to chelsea he gave the club no option but to do it. we ended up buying carroll when i nfact had he stayed until the summer and moved then i think he would have been better off.
I've read some good sources which suggest he wasn't to blame for his transfer (Carra's bio). However this does not change my opinion on him at United. He has permantently burned all his bridges. It was totally unacceptable going there considering our relations with United and Owen's connections to us. The day he signed I disowned him. I am now used to seeing him in a United shirt because I associate him with being a tratorous ****. Once a Manc never a Red.
owen. 48 hours before transfer window closes it emerges that real madrid have tapped him up and will only pay 8mil. had he the balls to say enough when houllier was sacked we'd have got 20mil+ plays the courting game with us before newcastle step in.... should he have said no then? do we know the deal? joins utd on a free, shafting newkie having taken masses of cash. hmmmmmm..... I think the day he left us it was obvious to me he'd got it lined up and what he tells carra is to be taken with a pinch of salt.
Perhaps. What I would also point out is he actually declared he wanted to come back to us (pre-Newcastle) but Rafa declined due to the history between them. Another reason for Geordies to hate him. They were second choice and considered to be treated badly.
