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OT - Nature or Nurture ?

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by NorthFerribyTiger, Sep 9, 2014.

  1. NorthFerribyTiger

    NorthFerribyTiger Well-Known Member

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    No nothing to do with Homosexuality.

    A friend of mine raised a question on Facebook & I have been struggling to come up with an answer.

    The question relates to abuse (either through violence to others or substances like Alcohol/Drugs)

    If you had been brought up in a household with a parent who was violent or abusive to you, your siblings or your other parent, surely the learned behaviour would be to try to avoid that yourself .

    The other example is where one or more parents abuse drugs/alcohol, when you have seen the misery it causes to them & others surely (well if it were me) you would avoid these at all costs.

    So...why is it that when you look at domestic abuse, you often find that the abuser was either abused or witnessed abuse as a child, and why did so many alcoholics/drug users also come from households where one or more parents was also an alcoholic or drug user ?

    Is this learned behaviour (which to me would be the opposite) or could there be a genetic predisposition to that behaviour ?
     
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  2. Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC

    Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC Well-Known Member

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    I think that might be true for abusive relationships: victims bond with perpetrators and, in their turn become abusers (maybe because other, 'normal' relationships are foreign to them).

    On the other hand, the offspring of many addicts seem to grow up as non-addicts.

    Dunno how true the above is, but it's what I've read/heard.
     
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  3. Charlie1

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    Traumatic bonding.
     
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  4. Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC

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    I don't have your job skills, Charlesworth. Is that what that 'bonding' is termed?
     
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  5. BillyBobBallbag

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    Interesting, I was thinking about this on the laces thread.
    Some people are born gay FACT - nature, it happens else where in the natural kingdom
    I was bullyed at school for being gay, when i was sure I wasn't, I left school and cut ties with the ****ers then thought maybe I am, so gave it a go - nurture ?
     
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  7. NorthFerribyTiger

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    It may be true that some do, but in one of my previous jobs I had to deal with people with this abusive/addictive behaviour & in well over half the cases (certainly violent or alcoholism) had been brought up in similar households
     
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    Whether on Orchard Park or in the leafy back gardens of North Ferriby the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
     
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  10. NorthFerribyTiger

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    But addictive abuse is actually more likely in deprived areas than affluent ones, not sure how much that is due to not being able to afford to live anywhere else with those problems or how much living in those areas increases the chances of turning to drink/drugs (nurture)
     
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  11. DMD

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    Do you have any information to support that?
     
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  12. NorthFerribyTiger

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    Only my own experience when I have been doing some work with KCA in Gravesham
     
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    Certain substance abuse is much more prevalent in deprived areas(crack, heroin etc), though I suspect that people with more money just abuse other things.
     
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    I snort pure gold dust myself.
     
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  15. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    That is something that has puzzled me, I know it is not quite the same, but both my parents smoked and I made a conscious effort not to. Which is what you are saying really, if you think something is wrong, then you would do the opposite.
     
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    It's a complicated matter and I don't think anyone actually knows the answer.

    Suffice to say (without going into detail) I should be teetotal - but I'm not. However at the time of writing I don't have an addiction to alcohol, just a fondness for it.
     
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  17. DMD

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    I read that in pure numbers, possibly, but per head of population, addiction and abuse is a broad brush. School kids in Hull travel to the villages for the drugs.
     
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    You know the difference between a boozer and an alcoholic? Us boozers don't have to go to those daft meetings.
     
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  19. Chazz Rheinhold

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    In some cases they lie or get their solicitor to lie in the hope of leniency.

    Kids growing up in those households it becomes normalised. Dad hits mam but mam gives him a kiss n cuddle the next day, mixed messages. You'd be shocked at a syringe on your kitchen top or a bottle of methadone in the fridge, some kids grow up with that as the norm.

    In the words of Bruce Springsteen, when you're young they bring you up to do like your daddy done.

    How many people on here or do you know who do the same job their dad did? I know a young girl who all she knew about her mum was she took heroin O/D'd and died. The girl was taken away from her when she was 4 or 5. All through her teens all she wanted to do was get on heroin, which she did and guess how she's paying for it? Just like her mam.
     
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    Like father like son.
     
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