http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25682652 He's offering his resignation, presumably to avoid being convicted of a crime whilst still serving, thus keeping his pension? So, if coppers are caught lying after the event to embellish a story (and well done Andrew Mitchell in not having to wait 20-odd years to get at that fact - it's as if you have some sort of influence ) is it form that they keep all the benefits accrued during their career? If I am sacked for misconduct I lose all my pension benefits, and I'm sure most of you are in the same boat. even AVC pensions funds would be decimated due to employers taking back their contributions. Why are the police different?
because they are ****s that are above the law, not there to protect or uphold the law, just look after themselves. ****s basically.
I do have a pension but I don't get any pension benefits that I would lose should I get the boot. My pension is in my name and belongs to me despite my work paying in to it.
Leaving the issue of it being a policeman aside, I'm not too sure on the pensions issue. If you are part of a contributory pension scheme then minimally the value of those contributions that you have made would have to be returned to you. After all the fund is only holding deferred income on trust and, as far as we are aware, this policeman had done nothing illegal during his previous service. What I don't know is if the 'conviction' completely cancels his pension (employers contribution plus any further benefits) or id the pension remains 'good' for all those years before the officer was found guilty of a crime
In my company if we get sacked then we certainly don't lose any of our pension and I'm sure most big companies are exactly the same.
His offer of resignation is irrelevant to his possible pension forfeit. Any police office whether serving or not, can lose their pension after a criminal conviction. Each case is taken on it's own merits & a decision would be taken that took into account all relevant factors. The more serious the crime, the more likely that the pension is withdrawn, especially if personal gain is the reason for the conviction.
Most of them are on non contributory final salary schemes & their handbook details the grounds that could cause the removal of their pension rights. A Criminal conviction prompts a defined process that examines whether those rights should be affected by the conviction.
all public servents shall we call them are the same. their pensions are golden. all those politicians done for second houses prob cliam hefty pensions.
As I understand it pension forfeitures only apply if the police officer was convicted for one of three things: treason, offences under the Official Secrets Act or a crime committed in connection with his or her service as a member of the police force which was injurious to the interests of the State and/or loss of confidence in the public service. If there's no connection between the offence and their role as a police officer no forfeiture will take place.
Sorry Tobes but I think your wrong. I don't know about the Police scheme but if you take Teachers or Firemen their schemes are not just contributory but also compulsory.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...7YGQCg&usg=AFQjCNGPWZC06ho4QTMuh4nhtdsXLQjn3w Most of the public sector have been the beneficiaries of non contributory pensions. It's only recent starters & in recent times when they've actually been asked to contribute to their bloated pension pots. Obviously those who'd paid in couldn't have the cash that they'd paid taken from them, but the state contribution & accrued pot can & is.
I think Tobes is right Dave, Police do come under Public Service pension scheme and it is a final salary scheme, however, it is changing in 2015 to a 'fairer' scheme whereby those not on fast tracked career paths will have the ability to get a better pension based on a career average scheme.
Actually I've just had another look and although Tobes was right about it being a final salary scheme, it is also a contributory pension scheme. Contributions vary on when they became a police officer 11% if joined before 6 April 2006, 9.5% if joined from then onwards.
Public sector workers of all varieties have had ridiculous contracts for years. Massive pensions, huge holiday and sickness entitlements etc... Ridiculous managament and poor forthought.
Right so just think about this: You have 20 years service. You have paid !!% of your salary into a compulsory scheme. If something goes wrong and you are refused a pension then what happens to those contributions.? Surely that money is yours and not the pension fund and therefore minimally the sum that you have paid in should be returned to you.
