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O'Shea: Players Kicked Di Canio Into Touch

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by C19RK73, Jan 20, 2014.

  1. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    [Did the players issue an ultimatum to the board?] Yeah, something along those lines, something along those lines.

    It was very strange, but it was something that just had to be done. Something had come to a head and it was plainly obvious there was only one way things could go forward.

    The timing of it was needed. Yeah, without a doubt.

    It had come to a point over a couple of months build up that something was going to happen. It was incredible. The couple of days when it did happen, it was mindboggling. Football is football. Management, playing, being involved and being an older and experienced player, it was definitely an eye opener of what goes on.

    I’d love to tell you lots of stuff but we’re under restrictions of what we can say. It was just everything. The environment that had been created just wasn’t working so something was going to give.
    It is no real surprise, and despite restrictions it was always likely to come out in little dribs and drabs.

    It is probably a mark of how low the players' collective stock with the fans was at that time that many - perhaps most - sided with Di Canio over the alleged confrontation.

    It has definitely worked out for the best, though, so credit to the players for doing what was necessary. Gus Poyet is in a totally different league to his predecessor.

    It really does make you wonder what was going on though to make apparently quite passive and agreeable characters like John O'Shea snap and take action. I'm sure it will all come out in the fullness of time via autobiographies and stuff if nothing else, so that's something to look forward to.


    http://rokerreport.sbnation.com/2014/1/20/5327342/paolo-di-canio-sacking-revolt-john-oshea
     
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  2. password invalid

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    If it transpires that in this period some players never gave there all for the club because of this what then
     
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  3. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Good point
     
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  4. Blunham Mackem

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    I think thats pretty much a given Stu.
     
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  5. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    The players did us and this great club a huge favour by acting to remove the lunatic from the helm of a ship he was steering to absolute oblivion. i have no doubt at all in my mind that if the players had not acted as they did, and had PDC not been sacked, then not only would we not be in a Cup semi final and possibly 90 mins from Wembley, or into the 5th round of the FA Cup and just 1 win away from survival in the EPL but we would have less than 12 points and be already practically relegated.

    We have a proper manager with class and ability now and a plan of how to get where he wants to be. For that I am eternally grateful. After 9 games I feared for the clubs future. After 22 games I am incredibly excited about that same future. Thats the difference and the only story here and now.
     
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  6. Nads

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    Bullshit to square everything at Di Canio yet again mate.

    The players who are effectively admitting not attempting to perform under him remain at the club.

    I'm not getting into it now at a positive time for the club, but the long term cancer remains at the club, plain & simple.
     
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    well it isnt the only story here and now is it ,it might be on your agenda but to others this is not to go away ,lets say we dip out in the cup semi and get relegated by a narrow margin and it gets revealed that certain players didnt try in certain matches i wonder what you would say then.
     
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  8. password invalid

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    by the way i hope i am very very wrong about the outcome of the future
     
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  9. Cest Advocaat

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    I blame absolutely 100% PDC for allowing his own inflated ego and misplaced arrogance to become the driving factor behind the biggest calamity of a managerial appointment at a top flight football club and certainly in our history. We all agreed that huge changes to personnel were needed to move the club along and that some players need moving on but what was needed was a sane, rational individual with the class and intelligence to carry that task out for the good of the club and in a reasonable professional manner.

    What we got was a media obsessed, insane megalomaniac who saw his own profile advancement as a far more important issue than that of this club and far from the players being castigated for engineering his removal I would thank each and every one that stood up to a bully and an idiot who was hell bent on destroying the whole fabric of this club.

    Of course there are still players that we would ALL like to see moved on and IMO under Poyet we will see that change over the next 2 or 3 windows. The massive difference of course is that under Poyet, there is a professional and classy approach to the problem and the club is protected and advanced whilst doing it. Thats fills me with hope and positivity whereas under PDC I was in utter despair.

    I see not one positive experience gained by this club from the PDC era, absolutely nothing at all. His reign was ill advised and incredibly destructive and its a minor miracle that after the hand of cards he left Gus we still find ourselves within touching distance of safety and into that cup semi final.

    So forgive me Pecs for having a very different and strong opinion on this mate but I will be extremely thankful to the players for ever and a day for acting as they did and for playing their part in rescuing the once bleak and desperate situation here and there is nothing you can say that would make me change my mind about that. PDC was a disaster and Gus has been a breath of fresh air since.
     
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  10. MrRAWhite

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    That has just not been said at all..What was said is that things were going on behind the scenes which the players felt they couldn't tolerate..I can't understand why people add 2+2 and come out with 23.758..
     
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    WE may well go out of the cup and it may well come to light that certain players didn't give their all and tbh I care very little. They did the right thing in getting together as senior professionals to realise the destructive self promoting idiot was going to to destroy our club and get rid of him.

    I will ask you a different question then and pose an alternative scenario. If we win the Capital Cup and then it comes out that 4 or 5 of that cup winning team were found out to have not tried under PDC, would you boo them and call for them to be sacked after the cup final?

    All that is important is PDC was got rid of and our club were handed a lifeline with the appointment of Gus Poyet and whatever the outcome of Wednesday night, the FA Cup or indeed the rest of this season, he is the right man for us and this club going forward. PDC never was and never will be again imo at this level.
     
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  12. Commachio

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    They are all ****s, get rid of the ****ing lot, bunch of useless ****ers....

    A clear out is needed of these ****s, ffs.
     
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  13. Nads

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    Believe me mate, there can be absolutely no question that it has been for the good of the club to cull Di Canio & bring in Poyet, point is it is a concern that the players were turning out and not giving there all.

    RAW, whether it was said or not, we all watched the side those last few games under Di Canio, is there any doubt that several members were coasting? It's not 2+ 2 equals anything, it was quite clear the players had thrown in the towel.
     
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  14. Cest Advocaat

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    I wonder how many had this sentiment about the 73 team 48 hours before the Arsenal Semi Final, when we were also struggling in the league prior to Bob Stokoes appointment? Were some of those lads 'not trying'?

    We have a good solid squad that needs 4 or 5 shipping out and 4 or 5 bringing in to become a mid table EPL team. It would take something over £150m (5 x £30m footballers) spending to take us to the top 5 and onwards, so 10th to probably 6th is the best we are ever going to achieve and I don't think we are a million miles from that under Poyet in the next 2 years.
     
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  15. Cest Advocaat

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    But you are not considering that it was the combinations of bizarre and embarrassing on and off field actions and the confused instructions of PDC that caused the on field performances and poor results mate by the players as well. This is all about PDC and how he conducted himself with a bunch of players and a football club.
     
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  16. Commachio

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    Hold on man, we are talking about the ****s rebelling, and you have gone off at another tangent...
     
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  17. Billy Death

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    Maybe, maybe not but there is no doubt in my mind that had he not came in when he did we'd be down now.
     
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  18. password invalid

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    in answer to that cest im not sure, but if we get the dreaded drop and its revealed yes i would want them out of the club and then to call them pros i think not,most will be away anyhow to pastures new ,lets hope this dosent happen.
    By the way they played in the first half saturday i thought pdc was back ha ha,as i have said before i dont get to many home games but away games mostly , now sit down bud mon saturday adam johnson
     
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  19. Nads

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    Exactly!

    I'm sure Cest you were more than vocal about the players attitudes at the time, don't change your talk to suit the fact you love popping at Di Canio!

    Being 5 players, half a team, short of top 6 , that is any team in the bottom half, it's not really impressive, is it?
     
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  20. mitchthemakem

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    Well I agree that the players that have got us in this mess which has been coming for the past 3 seasons are still here.
    They got what they wanted and we still languish in the bottom 3, this after home games against Norwich, Villa and Southampton where we have 2 points out of a possible 9.
    Some of these will be gone in the summer no matter which division we are in
    2 of the worst players on the pitch again Catts and Larsson, I know brown had a poor game but the other two it happens nearly every time they play
     
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