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'Orange' cards on their way?

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  1. West London Willy

    West London Willy Well-Known Member

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25811977

    FIFA Presidential Candidate Jerome Champagne has suggested introducing orange cards as a disciplinary measure, which would see players sin-binned.

    The Frenchman, 55, launched his bid to succeed Sepp Blatter as the world governing body's president on Monday.

    He also wants football to consider using more technology to help referees make key decisions as well as punishing teams when players question officials.

    Fifa's presidential election will be held in Zurich in June 2015.

    Champagne, who has been backed by Pele, announced his intentions to become football's most powerful man at a news conference in London.

    "We need a different Fifa," he said. "More democratic, more respected, which behaves better and which does more."

    However, he admits he will struggle to win the election if Blatter, who will be 78 in March, decides to stand for a fifth term of office.

    Asked if he could beat Blatter, Champagne said: "I don't think so, he's someone of relevance."

    Blatter has been president since 1998 but has not yet said whether he will stand again.

    A former Fifa deputy general secretary, Champagne worked closely with Blatter between 2002 and 2005 before leaving the organisation in 2010.

    Since then, he has been working as an international football consultant in troubled regions including Kosovo, Palestine and Israel and Cyprus.

    Champagne suggests players could be sin-binned for two or three minutes for "in-between fouls committed in the heat of the moment".

    He cited the example of a player who had already been booked receiving a second yellow card for taking off his shirt while celebrating a goal.

    Champagne also suggests allowing only the team captain to approach the referee.

    And if a decision is challenged, he wants the referee to have the power to move the ball 10 yards further forward as punishment.

    "More often than ever, matches are being marred by unacceptable scenes of players surrounding and haranguing the referee," he wrote in a document first published in March 2013.

    Brazil legend Pele, a three-time World Cup winner, said he supports Champagne's campaign.

    "I cannot stay away from a debate which is so important for the future of football," he said in a recorded message shown at Monday's news conference. "Thus, I support Jerome Champagne and his vision."

    Uefa president Michel Platini is also a possible candidate, although the ex-France midfielder has not yet declared his intentions.
     
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  2. Flyer

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    makes sense or they could just not give yellows for every single foul and only give them for bad fouls where the player meant to do it and wasnt just a tenth of a second late.
     
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  3. GoldhawkRoad

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    I've long been a supporter of the idea of sin bins in football. We'd get fewer red cards which can ruin a game imo, whichever side you're on
     
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  4. West London Willy

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    It would also act as a very clear, very obvious last chance where needed, and it'd remove some of the 'worst' decisions ending up in red cards, if the ref has the option (where there's doubt in his mind) to sin-bin a player rather than send them straight off.

    Example: Ashley Young's dive and Shaun Derry's red card. At present, it's a binary choice - either you fully believe young, in which case Derry has to go, or you don't, in which case no red card or penalty. Putting a step in the middle would allow for the referee to take a decision, sin-bin a player for a couple of minutes, without effectively ending the game as a contest.
     
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  5. sb_73

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    Where would you put a 'sin bin' at LR?

    The beauty of this game is that its simple. Anything that makes it more complicated or open to interpretation should be avoided. This sounds attractive in outline, but will doubtless bring a whole host of other issues and arguments. I would just enforce the current rules more consistently, simplify a few (offside is currently a complete pig's ear).

    The net effect of sin bins in rugby is, on average, a score/ 7 points to the team with a full complement of players. I don't think it would have the same impact in football (thats soccer to you Swords), the ten man team would just close ranks for however long the bin was for, get a worse spectacle as a result. I'd be more interested in the idea of 'penalty goals' for persistent foul play e.g if a team gets 4 yellow cards in a game, the opposition get a penalty, or a penalty goal. Of course I have just contradicted myself regarding simplicity, but there you go.
     
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  6. GoldhawkRoad

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    R Block, front row
     
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  7. Flyer

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    it would also stop players diving in front of an open goal, a penalty and a red card is worth more than a goal which is why they do it, a goal is worth more than a penalty and sin bin so they will stop.
     
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  8. ForestG

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    I think with players starting to "come out" perhaps they should introduce some pink cards as well!
     
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  9. daverangers

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    Sounds like it could be a good way to stop silly red cards, and punish attempted cheating. Playing a scenario out in my head though...what happens when there is a big bust up, involving 8 players on each side, and they all just need 2 minutes to cool off. Will we occasionally have a 3 on 3?
     
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  10. CannockQPR

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    Its an interesting idea - particularly when you consider it applied to goalkeepers....

    If the sin bin duration is under 5 mins i assume teams wouldn't take a player off and bring on another goalie

    (if they did the the surplus goalie would have to play outfield when the other goalie comes back on which would be pretty **** to watch)

    So one of the outfield players would have to go in goal for a bit - generally this is also pretty **** to watch, it might add a bit of interest but realistically would result in buses being parked for 5 mins.

    Which outfield player currently in the QPR match day squad is our best goalie?

    I'm guessing its not SWP...
     
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  11. Flyer

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    Teams would chance it for 5 mins unless it was the last few mins of a game.

    I did see a great goalie red card in the SPL, team score a goal to get it back to 3-2, try to pick the ball out of the net and the defending team are idiots and try to get it off them and a scrum ensues. The goalie and CF get sent off and they equalise with a corner that a normal goalie would have collected.

    I hate the defending teams trying to grab the ball after a goal, they should only give cards to the defending teams for doing that,
     
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