please log in to view this image Southampton host Tottenham Hotspur at Mary's Stadium on Sunday 22nd December (KO 13:30) in the 17th round of 2013-14 Premier League matches. The Saints come into the game in 9th place on 24 points with Tottenham in 7h place on 27 points. This will be the 181st time the two teams have met each other. Spurs and Southampton were two of England's top teams at the start of the 20th Century with the Saints reaching the 1900 & 1902 FA Cup Finals and Spurs going one better by winning the competition in 1901, thus becoming the only non-League club to achieve the feat since the formation of the Football League in 1888-89. The first meeting between the clubs came in December 1893 and the friendly finished as a 1-0 win to Southampton, Four more friendlies were played over the next four years and the first competitive match was played in March 1897 with Southampton drawing their home Southern League fixture 1-1 and Spurs drawing their home fixture 2-2 a month later. The clubs were regular opponents in both the Southern League and Western League until 1908, when Tottenham switched to become a Football League club. Those non-League encounters were usually hard fought affairs and Southampton had slightly the better of things overall. The first FA Cup encounter between the clubs came in January 1902 with holders Spurs held 1-1 in the 1st Round (today's 3rd Round) at White Hart Lane. The replay was also drawn 2-2 and a second replay was held at Elm Park, Reading with Southampton winning 2-1. The Saints made it all the way to the Final that season before losing to Sheffield United in a replay. Tottenham played Southampton four times during World War One in the London Combination and won three of those games to Southampton's one. The Spurs home games were played at Highbury and Homerton, as White Hart Lane had been taken-over by the army. Southampton, who were founded in 1885 started-out as St. Maryâs Church Young Menâs Association and moved to The Dell in 1898, joined the newly-formed Football League Division Three in season 1920-21 and won promotion to Division Two at the first attempt. They remained in the Second Division for 31 consecutive seasons. The first League meeting between Tottenham and Southampton came in September 1928 with Spurs drawing 1-1 at The Dell and winning 3-2 at White Hart Lane in January 1929. The clubs played a further eight seasons in Division Two prior to World War Two and Spurs won 9 and drew 3 of the 18 games played during this period. Ten games were played during World War Two with Spurs winning five, Southampton winning two and three games drawn. The first of three key player transfers from Southampton to Tottenham came in 1949 when right-back Alf Ramsey joined Spurs. The General would become a huge part of Spurs successive Second and First Division Championship winning teams in the early 1950's and play for England 32 times. Tottenham and Southampton resumed their matches in Division Two in the four seasons after World War Two before Spurs won promotion to Division One for the 1950-51 season. There was also an FA Cup 6th Round match in January 1948 at the Dell which Spurs won 1-0. Southampton won promotion to the First Division in season 1966-67 for the first time in their history and Spurs won both fixtures 5-3 at home and 1-0 away. The Saints kept their First Division status until season 1973-74. The second key transfer came in January 1968 when Spurs bought Southampton centre forward Martin Chivers for a then British record fee of £125,000. Spurs striker Frank Saul moved in the opposite direction as part of the deal. Big Chiv took a while to find his form, partnering first Jimmy Greaves and later Alan Gilzean but once he came back from a broken leg, he became England's finest attacker in the early to mid-1970's. October 1968 saw the first Football League Cup match between the clubs and Spurs won the 5th Round match 1-0 at the Lane. Tottenham were relegated for season 1977-78 and both Second Division matches with Southampton ended as 0-0 draws, the latter giving both clubs promotion to the First Division, along with Champions Bolton Wanderers. The 28 games played in Division One from 1978-79 to 1991-92 resulted in 12 wins for Tottenham, 9 wins for Southampton and 7 draws. During this period, the clubs met twice in the FA Cup with a win apiece and once in the League Cup with a win for the Saints. There were also two games played in the Screen Sports Super Cup, a competition which took the place of European matches for English clubs which were banned. Spurs won both of these games 2-1 at home and 3-1 away. Both Tottenham Hotspur and Southampton were founder members of the Premier League in 1992-93, but the Saints were relegated at the end of the 2004-05 season. Spurs have the edge during these encounters with 13 wins to 10 with 5 matches drawn. The very first Premier League game for both clubs was a 0-0 draw on 15th August 1992 at The Dell. A fifth round FA Cup replay in March 1995 saw an amazing hat-trick by Ronnie Rosenthal to give Spurs a 6-2 win. Southampton won the last FA Cup meeting in January 2003 4-0 at St. Mary's Stadium, which had become the Saints new home in August 2001. In May 2007, Spurs secured the services of the third key player from Southampton when Welsh left-sided player Gareth Bale was signed initially for £5,000,000 with an additional £2,000,000 paid in add-ons. Tottenham's Spanish attacking midfielder Iago Falque was loaned to the Saints, who won promotion back to the Premier League as runners-up in the 2011-12 Championship. The Premier League match at St. Mary's Stadium in October 2012 resulted in a 2-1 win for Spurs. Gareth Bale opened the scoring after 15 minutes with Clint Dempsey adding a second for Spurs after 39 minutes. The Saints second half goal was scored by Jay Rodriguez. Gareth Bale scored the only goal in the game at White Hart Lane in May 2013. Overall, Spurs have won 77, Southampton have won 58 and 45 of the 179 matches between the two clubs have been drawn. please log in to view this image Full History of Tottenham Hotspur v Southampton Matches 1893-2014 please log in to view this image They Played for Spurs & Saints.... Paul Allen Gareth Bale Lee Barnard Dave Beasant Joe Blake Kevin Bond (Saints player, Spurs asst manager) Tommy Cable Martin Chivers George Clawley Peter Crouch Ian Culverhouse Calum Davenport Alf Day Ally Dick Kerry Dixon Dickie Dowsett Jack Elkes Harry Evans (Saints player, Spurs asst manager) Iago Falque Tommy Forecast Alex Glen John Gorman (Spurs player, asst manager at both clubs) Alf Hawley Glenn Hoddle (Spurs player, manager at both clubs) John Hollowbread David Howells Doug Hunt Philip Ifil Ernie Jones Joe Jordan (Saints player, Spurs coach) John Joyce Kasey Keller John McConnachie Frank Osborne Tomáš Pekhart Alf Ramsey Grzegorz Rasiak Harry Redknapp (manager with both clubs) Jamie Redknapp Matt Reilly Ron Reynolds (also Saints scout) Dean Richards Graham Roberts Dick Rowley Neil Ruddock John Saintly (Spurs player, Saints coach) Frank Saul Graeme Souness (Spurs player, Saints manager) Archie Turner Wilf Waller please log in to view this image Tottenham Hotspur Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2013-14 Southampton Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2013-14 please log in to view this image please log in to view this image
Have just started a match thread on the Saints Board so feel free to pop over for some friendly banter!
Dreading this game. Saints could easily be the next team to capitalise on the utter mess we find ourselves in. But then again, it can't get any worse. We can only get better. Can someone post an upto date list of injuries and suspensions please? With all the drama this week, I don't even know who we have available.
Really? We've still got a whole raft of new players to assimilate and instead of an experienced manager who had a plan to cope with that, we've got someone making it up as he goes along.
Only suspension is Paulinho - 2 more to serve. Dawson is available again, so Capoue can go back to being Sandro's cover. Who knows on injuries.
For Saints Boruc and Wanayama are definitely out. Schneiderlin will be back in the starting line up. No idea about Clyne although not fussed if he misses out as Chambers has been excellent. I would think that Saints starting line up will be something like: Gazzaniga, Chambers, Fonte, Lovren, Shaw, Cork, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Davis, Rodriguez, Lambert.
6-0 to city, 0-3 to west ham, 0-5 to liverpool, 1-2 to west ham, and dreadful football during nearly every game. please tell me how it can get much worse? "we've got someone making it up as he goes along" ? - some might say the same about AVB.
Southampton away was always going to be tricky but Stoke and WBA at home should be all right. But if we **** those up then we go to Man U and Arsenal in the cup and we'll be on a truly dreadful run. AVB's poor runs of results were always short. Sherwood doesn't strike me as the right material at all but he is in charge now so needs our support
Clyne is missing for saints and their other full back Shaw is fit but has a tendency to miss games at the last minute, knowledge obtained from having these players in my FF! Also Boruc is still out. Villa beat them at home so even with the mess we're in, it's not impossible to get a result as saints dominated villa but got caught on the counter. It's a funny one as a few games back Avb was here and we beat Fulham and Sunderland away, in bizarre way I would feel more confident with Avb and his boring team instead of Tim, nice but dim. Who's only real positive is he's a big fan of Tom Carroll, aside from that he hasn't a clue what he's doing and we just have to hope we fluke a result. Adebayor will be back mugging off the fans as he only performs when he has a point to prove, it's too much to ask a player on mega wages to show some passion for the club. And yes I can't believe I'm going to agree with Power but I would rather Avb was here then Sherwood and this was why I kept saying sacking Avb should happen at the end of the season unless we had a real backup plan, not just whoring the job to any person who puts their hand up.
AVB had a slightly unusual attitude to risk. While it was 0-0 he kept playing the same way, relying on Plan A to work. If we got to 1-0 we tended to try to hold on to it. But if we went 0-1 down he tended to play a lot more riskily and we got some wins when it worked out but also some huge thumpings when it went wrong. But boring play tends to grind out results against the bottom half and I've no idea how Sherwood will play against WBA and Stoke, hence my concern
I'd hardly call AVB experienced. It was his lack of that eventually exposed him to being a fraud of a manager. Technically, Sherwood done better than AVB against West Ham, not that it's anything to gloat about.
Having watched us capitulate against a West Ham B team, I'm seriously not looking forward to facing Soton. The form of some first teamers lately leaves me to want a team like this: Gomes, Walker, Chiriches, Kaboul (don't care if 50% fit, probably still better than Dawson's been), Rose Sandro, Dembele Lamela, Eriksen, Chadli Adebayor
The form of Lloris has been shocking. Doesn't deserve his place at present and while Friedel is a "safe bet" I just get worried the moment someone hits a shot a pace that he'll end up getting a hernia.
No I'm not actually taking the piss! (for once)! right now the form of some of our players is ridiculous (as you say) and in reality some do have to be dropped as they clearly can't hold it together. We know Confidence is a big thing but some are using it as a way to give up, or it looks that way. Lloris has some great qualities but is definitely prone to making really basic mistakes, even when hes on form, and he shouldn't be immune from being dropped.
We just seem to have a curse here at WHL where keepers after their 1st or 2nd season suddenly turn to ****. Robinson, Gomes and Lloris it seems have all suffered from it. Luckily for Friedel he only had one full season so the curse couldn't properly kick in.
Hang on, lets start from the beginning. Have we got any players actually ON form? Walker has had an ok season, especially compared to last. Chiriches has done ok as long as its not against hoofball. Then there's....erm....bugger. Maybe we should play Sherwood and Ferdinand instead of benching them?
You're not wrong Spurm. It says a lot when Kyle Walker has probably been our most positively consistent player.
