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OMT: Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester United

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  1. THFC6061

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    Manchester United host Tottenham Hotspur on New Years Day, Wednesday 1st January 2014 (KO 17:30) in the 20th round of matches in the 2013-14 season.

    It will be the 184th meeting between the two clubs who were the "glamour teams" of the 1960s.

    United come into the match in 6th place on 34 points with Spurs in 7th place on 34 points on goal difference.

    Tottenham Hotspur's first meeting with Manchester United came in the old 1st round (today's 3rd round) of the FA Cup in January 1899 when United were known as Newton Heath. The match was drawn 1-1 at Northumberland Park, but Spurs won the replay 5-3 at Bank Street in Clayton, Manchester.

    A decade later the two clubs met for the first time in a Football League match with United drawing 2-2 at White Hart Lane in the First Division.

    The reverse fixture at Old Trafford was easilly won by United 5-0.

    Tottenham's first League win over United came in November 1911 2-1 at Old Trafford.

    Both clubs met for four seasons in the Second Division during the 1930s.

    Since the start of football after WW2, all League meetings have taken place in the Top Flight of the English League system.

    In 1952, both clubs toured North America and played two exhibition matches with Spurs winning 5-0 in Toronto, Canada and 7-1 in New York, USA.

    The clubs were drawn together in the 1963-64 European Cup Winners' Cup with Spurs winning 2-0 at the Lane and United winning 4-1 at Old Trafford.

    Old Trafford was the venue for the 1967 FA Charity Shield with League Champions United and FA Cup Winners Spurs drawing 3-3 in a game most remembered for goalkeeper Pat Jennings' long-range goal. The Charity Shield was shared.

    August 1979 saw the clubs meet for the first time in the Football League Cup and Glenn Hoddle's magnificent volly was the winning goal in a 2-1 Spurs victory at White Hart Lane. United went on to win the second leg at Old Trafford 3-1.

    In June 1983, the clubs played two matches in Swaziland, Southern Africa, resulting in a win each. Prior to this season, Spurs last win at Old Trafford came in December 1989 thanks to a Gary Lineker goal.

    The clubs have only ever met in one Domestic Cup Final - the 2009 Football League (Carling) Cup Final at Wembley, which ended in a 0-0 draw after extra time. United won the subsequent penalty shoot-out.

    Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur were founder members of the Premier League in 1992-93 and are two of the seven clubs who have been ever-present up to the 2013-14 season - Arsenal, Aston Villa, Chelsea, Everton and Liverpool being the other five.The fixtures during season 2010-11 saw United win 2-0 at Old Trafford in October while the reverse match at White Hart Lane ended in a 0-0 draw.

    2010-11 was the first season when both Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur competed together in the UEFA Champions League. Both clubs won their respective Group Stages and progressed to the Knock-Out Phase. Spurs eventually went out to Real Madrid in the Quarter Finals while Manchester United made it to the Final, only to lose to Barcelona.

    The away 2011-12 fixture at Old Trafford in August resulted in a 3-0 win for United with goals from Danny Welbeck, who headed in Tom Cleverley's cross just after 60 minutes and he then produced a wonderful instinctive flick to set up a second for Anderson. Wayne Rooney scored with a pinpoint late header from Ryan Giggs's centre.

    The game at White Hart Lane in March 2012 was won by United 3-1. Wayne Rooney scored on the stroke of half-time to put the visitors ahead at the break. Further goals were added with a brace from Ashely Young before Jermain Defoe got one back for Spurs with three minutes remaining.

    Last season's fixture at Old Trafford resulted in an historic 3-2 win for Tottenham - their first in the League at Old Trafford in 23 years. Jan Vertonghen's second minute strike was deflected-in off Jonny Evans and Gareth Bale added a second goal after 32 minutes. United hit back through Luis Nani after 51 minutes but Spurs restored their two goal cushion a minute later with a Clint Dempsey goal. Shinji Kagawa scored United's second goal a minute later and Spurs survived the pressure for a United equaliser to come away with three very well earned points.

    Former Manchester United defender Zeki Fryers joined Spurs in January 2013 from Standard Liege in Belgium.The match at White Hart Lane in January 2013 resulted in a 1-1 draw. Robin van Persie put United ahead on 25 minutes but an injury-time goal from Clint Dempsey meant the points were shared. United went on to win the Premier League Title and Sir Alex Ferguson resigned at the end of the season.

    Kyle Walker put Spurs ahead after 18 minutes in the 2013-14 game at White Hart Lane in December but Wayne Rooney equalised in the 32nd minute.
    Sandro's 54th minute goal was cancelled out by a Wayne Rooney penalty three minutes later for a final score of 2-2.

    Overall, United have a very good record over Spurs with 86 wins to 50 with 48 of the 184 matches played so far drawn.

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    Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester United Complete Match Records 1899 to 2014

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    They Played for Spurs & United....

    Jamie Attwell
    David Beckham (United player, Spurs trainee)
    Dimitar Berbatov
    Bill Berry
    Alan Brazil
    Jimmy Brown
    Fraizer Campbell
    Michael Carrick
    Garth Crooks
    Harry Erentz
    Quinton Fortune
    Zeki Fryers
    Terry Gibson

    Tommy Gipps
    Greoge Graham (United player, Spurs manager)
    Jack Hall
    Stewart Houston (United player, Spurs asst. manager)
    David Gwilan Jones
    Joe Jordan (United player, Spurs coach)
    Cyril Knowles
    Chris McGrath
    James McNaught
    Fred Milnes
    Louis Saha
    Teddy Sheringham


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    Tottenham Hotspur Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2013-14

    Manchester United Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2013-14

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  2. The RDBD

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    Interesting one this is. Both teams have the same home/away form this season.
    But Man Utd seem to have got back into gear of late.
     
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  3. redwhiteandermblue

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    Hard not to see this as a fascinating test for Sherwood. Any word on Paulinho or Rose? I heard Dembele is out with five cards, which is really bad news, as he's been our big game talisman.

    Walker, Chiriches, Dawson, Rose, I hope
    Paulinho/Bentaleb Capoue
    Lamela/Holtby Eiriksen/Holtby Lennon
    Ade
     
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  4. Boss

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    Ankle injury still keeping Sandro out? He never gets a break (excuse the pun) with injuries. And as mentioned above Dembele also out which I wouldn't usually worry about but he does perform at Old Trafford.

    I noticed Rooney was rested against Norwich. Young is finding form but with Fergie watching over at every home and away game, Moyes can't fully relax!

    Although respect to the Utd fans who hang banners supporting Moyes and sing his name even after poor results, that's loyalty for you.

    Fergie used to love facing us as he knew we would play open and then roll over for him! Although Avb last year stood strong for 45 minutes then crawled to finish line, but we made it ! Sherwood now has his first big test as manager and probably the best time to face Man Utd away since 1992!
     
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  5. remembercolinlee

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    My head says united win all day long...
    But my heart says that soldado is going to start converting the regular chances that are now being made for him, that paulinio is looking more comfortable, that lennon looks like he has got his match fitness back after his injury, eriksen is looking more at home, adebayor is playing well, and we have a great away record...apart from our last trip to manc land...which then makes my head say....
     
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  6. The Huddlefro

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    …we dominate most of the match and Utd get some dodgy decisions to swing the game in their favour?

    Joking aside I don't think there is ever a 'good time' to face Utd at OT. They're dangerous there, even under Moyes, and our track record there (for whatever reasons) is abysmal, up to last year. I fear for us if Sherwood plays too open a game, although it would probably be a fantastic match to watch.
     
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  7. The RDBD

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    Without at least one of Sandro or Dembele playing, we should worry a bit.
    But perhaps Capoue will have his Sandro moment in that game.
     
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  8. Roo

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    This'll be a tough game and I think our aim should be to avoid defeat. A point with no more damage to our GD isn't a bad result.

    other games:

    Man City are likely to beat Swansea
    Arsenal will probably beat cardiff
    Liverpool should beat Hull at home, depsite hull looking very good at the moment
    Newcastle should get a result against west brom
    Chelsea are likely to get something away at saints.
    Everton should beat stoke, who are just awful.

    Thinking about it and considering the fixtures above, even a draw in this game is going to feel like 2 points dropped, despite it being away to United. But i'll take it, as a defeat means united get away from us as well! <yikes>

    Not a nice bunch of fixtures, at all.
     
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  9. The RDBD

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    "Not a nice bunch of fixtures, at all."

    Until sufficient of our current top 4 rivals begin to wilt, every PL game is going to be must win.
     
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  10. Roo

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    who will buckle first?

    we've been awful this season and we're still in the hunt. - it can only get better for us. Where as others are due a bad spell.
     
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    "who will buckle first?"

    Who knows ??
    A bit of basic stattery shows that the top 8 are unusually bunched and with quite high
    points totals for the time of year.
    It may come down to all the games with eachother effectively being "6 pointers" .

    Spurs/Man Utd are definitely on the rack first with the PL fixtures in January.
     
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  12. SpursDisciple

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    Unless this is our good spell <yikes>
     
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  13. Spurm

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    Don't say that Rooster! It could easily get worse and i really don't want that
     
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  14. Roo

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    worse than 0-6 to city, 0-3 to west ham, 0-5 to liverpool and 1-2 to west ham... again?! not a chance. there's the potential for another bad result like those, yes, but how can anything be worse??!!

    we can only get better. :)
     
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    Dembele's only got three yellows this season and one was against Tblisi in the Europa League, so he's not suspended.
    I'm hoping that Paulinho's removal was only precautionary too, as they made an impressive pairing, albeit only against a poor Stoke side.
    Is there some way that we can stop Charlie Adam playing against us? Buy the twat and loan him out, perhaps?
     
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  16. Spurm

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    What if this happens:

    Lose to Utd
    Lose to Arse by an ass-whipping
    Lose to Palace at home
    Lose to Swansea away
    Lose to City at home by an ass-whipping

    I can see it happening. Suddenly its Feb and we haven't won a game all year.
     
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    ...and for those who thought they were the "Most negative poster of the year".... you're all wrong!

    Spurmey takes it, right at the death! <laugh>
     
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  18. The RDBD

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    "I can see it happening."

    The squad is currently fragile enough for that to happen.
    Conversely, the self-belief for the run-in would be sky high if a good set of
    performances/results come from that set of games.
     
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  19. Spurm

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    Alas i have regressed to the Spurm of a decade ago where every match began with me thinking "i hope we don't lose TOO badly"
     
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  20. The RDBD

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    Reports coming in that the ref for the game is ... Agent Webb.
    Scrub those new year resolutions the team have made then.
     
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