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Oh, what a waste of talent!

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  1. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    ..... seemed happy to be the biggest name in League 1 and on the showboat every week.

    Look - he's still at it now: http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38220790

    Outrageous!!!

    For me Trundle was an expensive let-down - although I did enjoy his goal v Palace in the playoffs I can't remember him doing anything else for us tbh - it was like the Championship was too much work.
     
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  2. Redprintt

    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    I loved watching LT, as I enjoy the likes of anther LT - Lee Tomlin.
    I know all about his failings but marvelled at things he could do with a football.
    I won't remember the minus - just the positive.
     
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  3. wizered

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    I was also a Trundle admirer, he could be absolutely electric but it never really worked out for us..
     
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  4. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he made the best of himself.

    He was not born with that skill level that only comes from repetition and hardwork beyond what is normal, but he was born with the body he has. You are born as a ectomorph, mesomorph, or endomorph with a certain number of slow and fast witch fibres which will define future efforts as an athlete.

    To get to championship level it appeared to myself that Lee Trundle was already beating Mother nature.
     
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  5. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    errr - I think I agree with all these comments. Trundle was/is an entertainer and can still do things with the ball that I can only dream about. He had/still has oodles of talent and skill - yet played most of his professional football in League 1, hence the title 'What a waste of talent'.
    Whether he didn't make a huge impression at a higher level could be because he didn't want to up the training required(?) or perhaps as Cliftonville suggests; he simply didn't have the physique and no amount of training would have helped. Shame (for me anyway).

    Tomlin however definitely IS championship quality - despite having a similar physique.
     
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  6. smhbcfc

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    Personally I prefer Tomlin to Trundle
     
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  7. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    Why are his fellow pros not as skilful? Or Jets? Or Tomlins? Do they not up the training to the required level to attain similar technique?

    There is no such thing as innate football skill. The application to put in years and years into almost mindlessly attain skill is a talent in itself. It is generally accepted it takes 10000 hours of training to become expert at something. That is a massive commitment that most kids and adults never have, including myself (us) and yet people who do have that passion to achieve the extraordinary often get maligned, while those with less skill are lauded because they run harder, faster and generally achieve less.
     
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  8. Redprintt

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    Got lost there.
    It wouldn't matter how long someone trained - 10,000 years if you like, most would never reach pro level.
    Training/practice helps massively but without natural inate talent you're wasting your time.
     
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    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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  10. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    Completely incorrect. Please do not tell any kid entering football at five and six who can't kick a ball he is wasting his time.

    Children can have skills at what are considered to be pro levels through training. That is honed via repition. Kids I know including my son in their 360% reviews have abilities with scores of 9/10 (pro and academy level) for aspects of their technique. Aspects not all. This comes from hard work, not waking one day and "happening to be good at football".

    Kids coming through Brazilian soccer schools, FSS etc are more skilful than their peers not because of an inborn football skill it is because if they want to they acquire skills through focused training and their own drive to improve.

    Lee Trundle will have worked for thousands upon thousands of hours to gain his skill level and maintain it.
     
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  11. bcfcredandwhite

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    Practice DEFINITELY improves - George Best taught himself to dribble by tying a ball to his foot with a string (not sure how that worked!), Kevin Keegan taught himself to head the ball by heading it against a wall. Even at local-league level, yours-truly managed to teach myself to use my left foot, culminating in taking (and scoring) a penalty with it, so it CAN be done. However, you can only maximise potential - and that potential is limited by raw talent. Everyone can improve, but only within their own limitations of their natural 'gift'. Some amateur musicians for example will spend hours and hours practicing - and get to be rather good - and yet others can pick up an instrument and just play straight away and with practice those people could become brilliant, not just good.
    I think Trundle was one of those who had raw talent - he just knew where the ball was and what to do with it, without really thinking about it. I believe that he HAD that potential to go much further than he did. Of course, I don't know him personally and this may be untrue for whatever reason, but it is my opinion that he had untapped greatness.

    I would NEVER tell a kid of 5 or 6 who can't kick a ball that he is wasting his time. You want kids to ENJOY the game first and foremost. Those with the determination and skills may go on and may get to play for a local adult club. If good enough they will go further, but this is rare and it is just as cruel to build a kid up to believe he will be the next Messi, as it is to tell him not to bother playing because he is crap.
     
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    Nobody should tell a kid he will be a word beater but it is responsible to point out that nobody is bestowed at birth with those ball skills.

    An opinion of Trundle is this. He developed his potential to its full, he took himself to a point where he was limited by physical ability. That should be applauded, and he is still playing now unlike many who ran six miles a game.
     
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    Clifton - get off your horse.
    You're not the only one who's coached children - football and cricket from 7 year olds to 16 year olds up to county level.
    Don't put words in my mouth - Who is telling children not to enter any sport ? You give them time, patience and instruction and hope they enjoy, improve and participate in their chosen sport.

    If you believe you can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, fair enough - I don't.
     
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  14. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    The high horse is yours. The point about 10000 hours is a coaching norm = Apply yourself and you will improve.

    I applaud what Lee Trundle achieved in his career as I do many pros because he was not blessed with a athletic frame and sub eleven seconds pace. That took will.
     
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    Now now ladies.

    I think we flattered to deceive when Trundle was at the club with his (sort of) WAG) and that of Byfords too, plus the Bentley and all the trappings.

    But it was all just hot air unfortunately.

    But the latest Trundle penalty is both outrageous and brilliant at the same time. Fair play fella !
     
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    Would love to see that crop up in a league game!!
     
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  17. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    Thought it was odd signing at the time for Gary Johnsons team. Full of skill but real lack of pace to get away from champiosjip defenders , poor in the air, one footed and not strong enough alongside the oxes ( Dele) Johnson went for. In midfield City were fit. Putting him in midfield as a 31 / 32 year old would have seen City over run . Great fun but not capable enough at championship level particularly in a City team that did not always play into feet. He struggled when it came down to it don't think it was not wanting it, Seemed to be very popular with team mates everywhere and appreciated the fans.
     
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    One of the best ever forwards we had in recent times at Swansea, some of the goals he scored were incredible, shame he started in the Pro game so late, but under Kenny Jacket he was prolific, then you boys took him for £1 million I think it was, but it never worked out for him, he came back to us under Sousa, who didn't really play him that much, so his last few years were wasted, still a great ambassador for us at the club, he plays now in the Welsh league for the Reds (Llanelli)............<ok>
     
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    LT like JET had an abundance of natural talent, no disputing that, sadly what they both lacked is a decent work ethic. Had they had that they would both have been palying in the Prem on a regular basis
     
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