O/T Nigel Farage UKIP leader

One of my UK friends keeps on posting Facebook videos on his page about this guy. Whats the current feeling about him in the UK? Are the UKIP any kind of threat to the others parties? I think I kinda like him on his stance with the all Euro / EEC issues but need more info.
The USA don't seem to have this sort of in your face / say what you mean politician.

 

More and more of my friends are starting to sway to UKIP and I agree with most of their stances. I wouldn't go as far as to say they're a threat at the moment, but eventually, if they continue to grow in popularity as they are, then there's no reason why they can't be a threat.

They're probably more favoured than Lib Dem's at the moment.

Stop me if I'm breaking the No Politics rule here lads (Ricardo, ISTPLT, DMD). I don't know the borderline with this topic.

 

I'd have him over those posh Tory ****s.

I'll end this convo here in fear of breaking rules.

 

IF we pull out of the EU, were gonna lose out on a lot, EU work laws stop us from working ourselves to death.
That train crash dahn sahf in 1989 (Clapham Junction) was from working too long hours. Thought we worked the longest hours in Europe? This is nothing if we pull out of EU.

 

Single issue party, single issue leader.

Always came across as a posh tory bastard campaigning on a single issue to me!

I appreciate the fact that candour is refreshing in the current political climate, but it it really quite easy to campaign for independence from Brussels and be vague, non-committal and "populist" about anything else that matters.

Just sayin' like.

 

As a rough guide I'd say they were the equivalent of the Tea Party in both size and nature. They're more right wing than the main parties, but nowhere near as far as the BNP/National Front/KKK. A lot of their growth in support is coming from traditional Tory (Conservative with a big C) seats, voters that aren't happy with the Lib Dem policies that are coming through in the coalition government weakening the stance from the one put forward at the election. That's pretty much the way the Tea Party members tend to consider itself Republican rather than Democrat. The majority of the support they gain elsewhere is really protest votes, people that are sick of Labour but don't want to vote Tory, with voting Lib Dem essentially being a vote for the Tories until the next General Election in 2015. Once the main three are removed they're pretty much the only party to be able to make an impact in the polls, but they're still not even close to being the 3rd party as it tends to be 2nd places they get. They're further hampered by parties like the SNP, any nationalist votes will go to them ahead of UKIP because the SNP have been the Scottish government for the last 2 sessions so they're a credible power now (once minority, and now a majority).

Stats wise, in 2010 they got about 3% of the vote in the General election (which was relatively huge, they only got about 2% the time before so their support grew by 50%). They've never won a seat in a "General Election" (including Scots, Welsh, N.Irish), the 3 Lords they have and the 1 Member of the Northern Irish Assembly are all down to people being elected/appointed whilst representing other parties and then defecting at a later date. Council wise they control Ramsey Council in Cambridgeshire, have 7 other Councillors across England, and 1 Councillor in Northern Ireland.

Farage himself is probably better known for being a guest on Have I Got News For You than for being a politician, although it didn't harm Boris Johnson too much when it came to his first London Mayor elections.

 

I was considering locking this thread now, because I don't think there's much more to add as far as what the OP asked goes and once that is resolved it can only really go one way. But, given mine is the last post I'm leaving it open so that people can offer a different view on the status/nature of Farage and UKIP if they feel it mine is a bit off their perspective, just please try to keep it to general views of them rather than personal ones so that it doesn't end up in a big political discussion that does need locking. As an example using something that is allowed, I could if asked say that the latest One Direction song is quite popular because it's sold a few copies, it doesn't change the fact that I think they're a bunch of tossers who've spliced two old songs into some bastardised mutation where if it were a child the parents would chain it up in the attic to avoid the shame of being seen in public with it but it would stop me being hunted down and abused by One Direction fans.

 

UKIP will take some unhappy voters from the main parties as the EU is killing this country day by day.

But that is as far as i am going on this topic.

 

now that puppy dog clegg has sold the protest vote down the river, ukip are the only protest that anyone now has available. in actual fact, clegg has done no more than taken my vote away as my conscience would never let me vote on such a right wing agenda. so for me, a few envelope stuffers in howden will mean my vote would be wasted so why vote? thanks to the outdated voting system of a dying country.

 

Before the First World War it was a requirement to declare your religion on any job application for a civil service role. This included teaching. The view was that Catholics should not be able to influence life in the UK and that only the Protestant belief had any civil role. To this day job applications have a religious question as the forms copied the standard Civil Service employment application.
The Housing Executive in Northern Ireland was run by Prodestants In fact shipyards, all government, education, and health services all refused work to Catholics.
So religion influenced the lives of everyone in NI from birth to death. Catholics where excluded from the best jobs, from council housing, schooling and even council buses (as a Prodestant would not stop in a Catholic area and Catholics could not get a job driving a bus). Policing was totally sectarian.
Hull has a history based on a Prodestant background. The Corporation. Unlike other cities Hull never had a large Catholic population and its unemployment figures meant that it did not attract immigrates. In recent years the low cost of housing and the governments moves to disperse immigrates throughout the country combined and as there was a surplus of social housing, Hull became a targeted area.
Throughout this period of time Hull has had a virtually static population. Without immigration, Hull would be bankrupt. Vote UKIP if you want but don't complain when the Hull runs out of money.

 

No politics and religion means just that, but now it's on the agenda, lets go for it. How does that work?

 

He relies on lies, fear and misinformation.

Though, it isn't too important, as he splits the vote on the right meaning neither UKIP or the Tories will get into power.

However, it does amuse me that a decent amount of UKIP support comes from traditional Labour supporters, the type who would never vote Tory. UKIP is just an exaggerated Tory party - Thatcher for idiots.

 

Has picked an easy, populist vote winning stance and never strays into anything else. He's preying on the fears of Middle England, Middle aged, Daily Mail readers who are disenfranchised with other parties.

Would be an absolute ****ing disaster.

 

For now they are a one issue party, the EU, but they do not pretend to be anything other. The mainstream parties must be moderate in their choice of across-the-board campaigns as they need (an important word) to have vote appeal, so the true depth of concern over the EU is best served by this disposable protest vote. Farage,for all of his bluster, is a very effective leader of a very disarming protest party. For now they are a one issue party, but these things do evolve. It is too easy to simplify the issues of the EU, as it is those of immigration, although it can be just as easy to shade the blindingly obvious with a fear of bias. I think Ricardo' s analogy with the Tea-Party is as close as you will get, although Nigel Farage, in a strange, yet amusingly disarming way, is very typically of these islands.

 

All politicians are lying cheating ****s, who are only in it to feather their own duck house. FACT

Thread closed please.

 

Agree absolutely - a complete tosser - Nigel 'Farrago' more like.

 

The established parties fear and loathe UKIP because they know that they represent the difference because they will cream off 10-15% of the votes- enough to decide the overall result of the election, given that the three established parties are all **** and close to each other in approval ratings.

Therefore, they are capable of taking Tory votes which will lose Cameron the election.

Farage knows this, knows they will not win the election in a million years but understands he exerts enormous power which will decide the outcome of any election.

I would say it's a tragedy that his party needs to exist, but thank God they do - our mainstream politicans are total ****s, and someone or something has to bring them to book.

 

Ill just vote for whoever promises to invade France.

If no one promises, I'll throw my name into the hat. Tickler you would be my 2nd in command.

We'd be known as the Bobolf Tickler party.