It looks like people are saying the bomb was an own goal. See link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axQtAFtmtVA&feature=youtu.be
It does point to a false flag operation, although you have to wonder, if that was the case then why did they make it so obvious? I mean there were guys walking around with detonators and navy seals at a marathon? America is slowly killing itself. But then we aren't much better. You hear about everything happening in America, all the bombings and the explosions and it's all terrorist's fault. But when something happens here, nobody really bats an eyelid. Nobody kicks off in rage, nobody questions anything. There were the London riots and people kicking off about tuition fees but at no point did the media look at it from both sides; it was purely about arresting criminals. Any kind of march or protest or even, as we have witnessed first hand, a football match requires total policing to make sure everything stays in control. It isn't about safety; it's about assumption. They might call it prevention, I call it Draconian bullshit. We as a nation seem to have lulled ourselves into a false sense of security that everything is just fine. It isn't. It hasn't been right for a while now and it's not going to get better. But on the plus side, if it did kick off at a City match, at least we have Abdoulaye Faye on our side.
Don't give views and publicity to Alex Jones, and similar nutjobs. Government officials can't get on a train, or carry a folder, without revealing protected information - never mind pull something like this off.
I never get these things...why would any government want to blow up a bomb and kill it''s own people? 9/11 now this...its stupid
They're all lying cheating cnuts, the politicians I'm talking about. None of us know the truth about anything relating to something like the Boston bombings, just what we're told by the world governments, or the media which adds up to the same thing.
If it was all meant to be a real secret conspiracy, then why would they have detonators that look like mobile phones from the 80s? Not exactly covert. The terrorists did it, I reckon.
Me and you both. They were all wearing the same special forces badge and uniform but that silly fat **** with the gravelly voice reckoned they were supposed to be covert. **** off fat man because I'm not buying it and neither is Party.
There's precedent for inside jobs/false flag operations - the Reichstag fire probably the most famous - and then there's cases like JFK and 9/11 where things don't seem to add up or seem too perfectly executed, so I understand the mindset of people who indulge in these fantasies. There's also the fairly well-documented recent history of the United States (not that they're exceptional in this regard, just the most over the top in spouting their democratic credentials) of cover-ups and general misdeeds - if you want to really get your mind blown by legitimate, peer-reviewed conspiracy theories look up Operation Gladio (NATO terrorist cell infiltration/false flag ops). Then there's less secret ones like Operation Condor, Iran/Contra, etc. All it takes is the doctrine of plausible deniability, shady political arseholes and the fact that at any given time governments are usually trying to **** you in some way for people to put dots together and see a picture. People see what they want to see. So right now the US Congress has pushed through a new draconian piece of Internet legislation, therefore the Boston bombs must have been a distraction... The problem with America is that the country is full of people oversaturated by media talking heads like Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones. If you grew up on stories of Waco, you're inclined to think the feds are coming for your guns and bibles. Its pretty much the same as when Bush was in power, except back then it was the leftists that were concerned (see Immortal Technique) that there was a vast cabal of fat white guys taking over the world. The sad fact is that most of the ****ed up **** that governments do is right there in black and white - and they're utterly incapable of pulling off most of the **** the conspiracy nutters attribute to them.
This isn't the first time the Americans have done this. It's basically a means to an end; money. You sacrifice your own people to make it look like a suicide bombing or a terrorist attack, knowing that the media coverage will insight rage and hostility against whoever it was that they labelled as the enemy. They did it World War I with the RMS Lusitania; the United States wanted no part of the war, but the banks that make the money from the governments knew that a war would generate more cash because they'd be funding both sides. A lot of the German materials were produced by IG Farben, which was a subsidiary of the Rockerfeller company. The rumour was that the British needed support and therefore knowingly sent the Lusitania into German waters with a load of American passengers, knowing that it would be attacked. Of course, America responded and joined the war pretty much straight away, with thousands of people voluntarily joining up. The media backed it and went full scale, fanning the flames of a War that really had **** all to do with them. In the Vietnam incident, they actually made up a whole story about a fishing boat being sunk (The Gulf of Tonkin incident) to insight fury in the American public so that they would rush to join up. On the same day that President Johnson told the Soviets he wouldn't have a widespread war with the North Vietnamese, he ordered retaliation and the US began bombing Vietnamese strategic points. There is a lot to be gained from a monetary perspective and it's basically working over the general population. Before 9/11 would anybody have any niggling doubts about a Muslim with a briefcase getting on a plane in full traditional clothing? Probably not. But they picked the targets and now everybody is edgy about the Muslim faith, which is shameful. So now, just as North Korea is beginning to flex its muscles and dish out threats, the Americans pull a false flag to rouse the public interest and put them on high alert. Timing is everything.... What I don't understand is, if this was a false flag, why did they make it so obvious that it was? I mean, telling people to stay calm before the bombs went off? Walking around with detonators? Navy seals at a fun run? If it wasn't a false flag, why was the security so high that day at such a non event? It's not like the Boston marathon is at the levels of the Olympics or the World Cup.
The role of Prescott Bush and financing the Nazis, IBM and the Holocaust, Shell Oil and the Iranian coup d'etat of '53, American companies in the banana republics of Central America, the list is endless. So yeah I hear what you are saying...I mean, the amount of contracts given out in Iraq ten years ago boggles the mind - as Gen. Smedley Butler once said, "war is a racket". Its pretty much an iron law of economics - if you want growth, blow some **** up. The thing is, I love a good conspiracy theory. Equally though, I'm a skeptic - I don't actually think the populace of this country or any other needs much convincing most of the time about a course of action. Information flows are everything, and the info that gets leaked to the press starts with those that have it (states), and for what are usually perfectly legitimate reasons of source protection they are entitled to suppress investigation of that information. So there you have the beginnings of any conspiracy - the facts aren't on the table, and the speculation starts. I remember when 7/7 happened and people were talking about the fact that on the very same day a training op was occurring in central London on emergency response to terrorist attacks - that was all that was needed for people to start saying 'conspiracy'. But you have to wonder about the ability of people to keep a secret like that - most ministers can't keep affairs and points on their licences private, so how in the holy hell would they manage the concerted murder of their own citizens? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its beyond the realm of possiblility, just that its undoubtedly a red herring and like flogging a dead horse - you'll never find the proof, you'll never know the whole truth.
I think they were onto something but messed up and failed to prevent it, I don't think it is anything like a 'false flag' as described.
Wow,when I started this thread I expected a load of sarcastic replies to the topic, was I wrong. I enjoyed reading all the well thought out posts above, interesting reading. I'm the same as Tiggaz4Life, I enjoy a good conspiracy theory but i'm also a sceptic. It'll be interesting to see where the theory goes.
So instead of people not believing the government, they now believe this guy, so why believe this guy? It's media spin from whichever way you want to take it, either way it's all political. If anyone wants to see some utter biased ****e, should watch Fox News, everything is Obama's fault according to them. Watching it during the US election last year was like watching a car crash, it was so one sided. CNN may be the opposite but at least not so blatant, they do seem to give a balanced view of the US.
These conspiracy theories really do my head in at times, but to play devils advocate, if you wanted to get away with a conspiracy like that, wouldn't making it look really obvious be a really good way to stop people believing it to be true? If you leave so much evidence out and about the place that everybody goes "they couldn't be stupid enough to leave that much evidence so it can't be a conspiracy" it would be the easiest way to have a conspiracy. Equally the general bumbling about in government departments leading to data leaks right left and centre. Nobody is ever harmed by these losses of data it seems, but they'd be a great way of covering up a well kept secret about them storing other information. They couldn't possibly be storing more about us because we'd know by now as someone would have lost some somewhere.
I kind of understand what you mean because i looked into 9/11 when that happened about the whole controlled explosion things but i still would hate to think that the government would of killed all them people for it's personal benefit. Anywho, what was the gaining from the Boston Bombing? North Korean war?
Exactly, I am sure in this day and age someone would want to sell this story to the papers if there was anything in this conspiracy, people can't keep quiet when money and fame is involved.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones Fat man's Wiki page. Basically, he doesn't believe anything. Governments kill everyone, he knows the truth and no one else does. It's his career.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2013/jan/08/alex-jones-pro-gun-tirade-piers-morgan-video He also shouted at Piers Morgan for a long time because he likes guns. Shouting at Piers Morgan is fine, but I still think this shows a man struggling with his own brain a bit. Highlights come in the form of "FACTOID" being shouted towards the end of this **** debate.