[NSFW]g[/NSFW]I know this is not a football related, however, you do allow other stuff on this labelled as - O/T I have a link showing the Bianchi impact crash. Footage from a spectator in the crowd. Is it okay to post it on here on this topic title ?
Just wrap it in NSFW tags and explain to people what it shows. Having seen it can't see any problem. Saying that I don't understand why he was travelling so fast on the bend. Brake failure?
Seems reasonable to me, as long as you mark it up for what it is, i.e. O/T - Bianchi crash. Not everyone will want to watch it, but it's not exactly hard core porn or a beheading video.
BTW MR, Sutil said they were both aquaplaning as they couldn't see the puddles in the gloom. That's why they crashed.
[NSFW][/NSFW]Okay I'll adjust my title to, - O/T - NSFW Bianchi Crash [video]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=935_1412607015[/video]
Aye, you've got to be careful what you post around here these days. It's getting like a ****ing kindergarten. Before long we'll be reduced to using expletives such as damn, blast & so forth. Such vile language.
And with a new mod ready to abuse the power he's been given..... Only jesting!! I'm canny laid back me. Fight my corner but don't use it and abuse like some have on here
Yip couldn't agree more. But think this highlights the dangers these drivers put themselves in. They are paid millions but it could be your life on the line.
Screw board politics man, that crash is mental! When you take into consideration how light f1 cars are and how heavy those bulldozer things are it's staggering he wasn't killed instantly. You'll have to forgive me, I'm not an F1 fan, can anyone tell me what the green flag means? And shouldn't the traffic have been slowed behind the safety car before the bulldozer was brought onto the track area?
Cheers mate. I watched the highlights on BBC and the way that ended the commentators didn't know what had happened. Then at the end the bint and Jordan said he had been taken to hospital. What I found strange too is the length of time the crane was in such a dangerous position. I'll have a browse the morn and see what I can find.
The green flag as far as I'm aware was waving past the crash site, yellow flags were before it. Yellow is to slow down and no overtaking.
Cheers fella, ok, so considering there had just been a crash at that very spot, shouldn't the yellow flag have been out while that tractor at the crash site? Is this a big safety cock up?
They are still going pretty fast when slowed down mate. The yellow flags were definitely waving in front of the crash site.
Looks like when the marshalls who were waiving yellow flags in the box, saw cars heading their way and he has panicked and picked up the green flag by mistake trying to wave them off. But I'm guessing.
At the start of the clip Adrian Sutil's car is on the other side of the marshall's post and they are correctly displaying double waved yellows which means that the drivers should not only slow down but also be prepared to stop immediately in case of danger. As the tractor reverses back to the other side of the marshall's post then the marshall's were technically correct to be waving the green flag. The double-waved yellows should also have been waved by marshalls on the track side all the way back to the previous marshall's post (and I believe they were). The green flags begin immediately after the danger site according to track position. That's the theory and to be fair to the marshall's they are not supposed to deviate from that theory. It does highlight some problems though. In my opinion, the height and prominence of the marshall's post in relation to the track-side marshalls meant that the drivers' attention may have been caught by the green flag before they had passed all of the double waved yellows, especially taking into account the increasing spray as the rain had started to increase just before this. The authorities need to look at what the procedure should be for green flags at a post so close to the danger area, on a bend, even though the post was technically after the obstruction. I think they need to look at having a small buffer zone past the accident as well as before it (depending on where on the track it occurs). An even bigger concern is that drivers simply ignore double waved yellows too often and treat them as single yellow flags. I don't want to criticise any single driver because they are all guilty. Unless the danger is in the middle of the track then drivers do not slow down enough to be at the point where they can stop immediately if required. The fact it was raining should be irrelevant in some ways, as the drivers should take this into account for stopping distances in the same way they do for slowing down for corners. The drivers have failed to do this for so long that nobody seems to expect them to lift more than a fraction - to the point where they are only losing fractions of a second when passing an accident. Because this is known to be the case then the race director should probably have sent the safety car out before releasing the tractor to recover Sutil's car. In his defence, the track conditions had not long started to get worse due to increasing rain and the accident took place during the time that he would normally have been getting data and feedback on how bad track conditions were. In my opinion, the bottom line is that it was a 'perfect storm' of unlucky events that combined to both cause the accident and highlight some deficiencies in the laid down procedure. I hope they can look at it and learn, without throwing blame around and looking for scapegoats. As well as being an unlucky series of events it was also an extremely lucky outcome of the accident. I can't believe Bianchi wasn't killed instantly, and that no marshalls were wiped out (including the one in between the tractor and the tyre wall when the tractor was thrown up and backwards). Let's just hope Bianchi pulls through and fully recovers. Thoughts with his friends and family.
