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  1. Tiote's Witch Doctor

    Tiote's Witch Doctor Well-Known Member

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    I love Pardew and everything he has achieved this season, he is a top manager and all round alright bloke, but this latest article on the Beeb literally looks like hes standing at a market stall and shouting out whats on offer to the punters, who in this case is the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd, City etc....

    See what you think:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18042729

    Newcastle boss Alan Pardew says he may be unable to keep his best players if the Magpies receive big-money offers.
    United could qualify for next season's Champions League if they beat Everton in their final Premier League game on Sunday.
    But Pardew told BBC Newcastle: "It's impossible to restrict Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, Manchester City from coming in for one of our players.
    "We have players who are not on the salaries these top clubs can offer."
    Yohan Cabaye, signed from Lille for a fee reported to be £4.3m last summer, is just one of the players to have flourished after coming in to replace the likes of Andy Carroll, Joey Barton and Kevin Nolan, who left Newcastle in the previous year.

    Striker Demba Ba has scored 17 goals in 39 appearances this season after arriving on a free transfer from West Ham.
    The 26-year-old Senegal international was linked with a move away Tyneside in January with reports that a buy-out clause in his contract would force Newcastle to accept an offer as low as £5m.
    "Demba's release clause has been widely publicised, there is some truth to it, and some untruth," said Pardew. "There is a clause there.
    "There is a situation with his contract and we are in talks with him and his agent.

    "It is not a foregone conclusion that he will stay, but the Newcastle public have played their part singing his name. He must love that."
    Pardew insisted that Newcastle's predicament was the same as that faced by Arsenal, who were unable to keep Samir Nasri and Cesc Fabregas from signing for Manchester City and Barcelona respectively last summer.


    "Forget about Everton and Aston Villa, we have put ourselves in a similar position to Arsenal," he added.



    "The one security I have is that [owner]Mike Ashley is a difficult seller. He is not going to let someone go for £7m, he is going to want top, top money.
    "But if Yohan Cabaye gets a call from Manchester United and they tell him he is going to be the next Paul Scholes I am not going to be able to stop him.
    "It is going to cost Manchester United a shedload of money, but until we have Champions League football, and we might have that by this weekend, we can not compete with that."

    As well as bracing himself for possible bids for his stars, Pardew, who was named Premier League manager of the season on Friday, revealed he is also making plans to add to his squad.
    "I am contemplating bringing in someone because we don't have a dominant header of the ball. On the scouting front we are looking at a centre-half who can come and score us eight goals next season," he added.
    "If we didn't have Demba Ba we wouldn't have Papiss Cisse and we are trying to bring another player to the club who is close to Yohan Cabaye. That is another little connection and a bit of a clue for you."

    End bit is clearly Debuchy, I reckon thats a done deal myself. Either that or Hazard haha!

    But apart from that to me, it sounds like hes saying a lot of things to try and tempt other teams, talking about Demba's release clause, low salaries.... and basically admitting that every player at the club has his price. Why not just keep schtum? Hes practically goading teams into making an offer.

    I love Pardew but hes clearly been told to tout our best players in the press, expect a nervy and horrible transfer window this summer my friends :(
     
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  2. Mod Face

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    "It's impossible to restrict Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, Manchester City from coming in for one of our players."

    By saying this he is confirming us as a 'second bracket' club, that we have nothing to fear (in the transfer market at least) from Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool etc. It's a little nose coming out like this but he's basically implying there are only a handful of clubs in the world who could afford our star players.

    Maybe it is inviting bids a little but it's praising the players and if bids come in, we know we won't be robbed. He probably has been told but for a small tranfer kitty that he must sell before he buys. If clubs are interested in our players, best to sell them early so we can move for replacements than see another Carroll situation unfold.

    Of course he loves the squad he has but if sacrificing one or two of our CL-quality players means being able to bring in half a dozen Top6-quality players then we'll be much stronger. I see this almost as a taunt, "show me the money".
     
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  3. 2SilverSeahorses

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    I think this Beeb article is intended to make NUFC supporters nervous and perhaps invite the accusation that we're touting players.
    The quotes were taken from tonight's Radio Newcastle phone-in and having listened to it I think Pardew was just being a realist.

    We have to accept the way Ashley runs the club and the fact we don't have unlimited funds to spend and he won't break rules on salary to retain players.
    Add to that the fact of life that there are bigger fish in the footballing pond who can pay ANYTHING to land a player, who can offer Champions League football and sometimes a cast iron chance of winning a trophy – and we are vulnerable.

    When it comes to PR and answering questions on retaining top players, then the club and Alan Pardew cannot give a right answer. If they say it won't happen they are lying and if they say in all likeliness it could they are touting for business.

    All of the current squad (apart from Shola, obviously) will eventually leave and they will have to be replaced. It then comes down to making good choices about how to replace them.
    This is the business of football and it genuinely doesn't phase me anymore because the system and attitude is working. This is attributed to judgement, not luck so keep the faith!

    Just remember that if the club hadn't made the controversial transfer decisions last year then we would never have had the season we've enjoyed...
     
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  4. Darth Gogledd

    Darth Gogledd Well-Known Member

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    We won't sell anyone unless for stupid money, and I can only see a few clubs being able to pay that who our players would want to go to.
     
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    Gordonthetoony Well-Known Member

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    It really worries me too that he openly talks about possibility of losing our best players. What it's saying to me is that we will always be a 2nd tier selling club the minute anything decent comes along. All of our hard work this season might be worthless. Totally deflated.
     
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  6. Tiote's Witch Doctor

    Tiote's Witch Doctor Well-Known Member

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    I dont mind the transparency, if all he was doing was simply admitting that we could lose our players that would be fine on his part, at the end of the day I'd rather him be honest and expect people to leave rather than being shocked and gutted at 10pm on the last day of the window when Ben Arfa gets sold to Arsenal, its just the way he discusses Ba's contract and the way he touts Cabaye towards Man Utd, for me I just get the slight impression that hes putting them in the shop window in the hope of big bids for the man upstairs.
     
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  7. 2SilverSeahorses

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    But why do you assume that losing or replacing players will be negative? I believe them when they say we'll hold out for top 'Andy Carroll' money, while I also can't see too many of our first team stars pushing for a move.

    If departures happen they will have to be under the right terms for the club, who by all accounts have a roster of very capable replacements lined up.
    We're also a much more enticing option for players that we had no chance of getting last summer, for inherently better prices.

    It could be, just could be a case of one step back but two/three forward...
     
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    What it says to me is that we're a second-tier club (ala Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool) and that we'll only sell to the elite clubs who can afford our asking prices, not our rivals.

    Being a 'second tier' club is a MASSIVE improvement for us and for example, touting Cabaye as Scholes' potential replacement rather than looking worryingly as Aston Villa scrape together £5m shows how far we've come.

    Bit of a worrying tactic if his quotes were intended to be picked up on but it's better we sell early so we can move on. If selling Cabaye means bringing in Sigurdsson AND Vertongen for example then I think that's a step forward. I am not at all worried about this transfer window, excited really to see what rebuilding will be done. <ok>
     
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    Hope this is the case.
     
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  10. Santiago Munez

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    Unless it's Barcelona or Madrid every player has their price just ask Fergie.
    I'd rather an honest manager than a manager who would one minute say "I wouldn't sell Madrid a virus" and the next minute sell our best player. Or one who spouts endless contradictory dribble like mr redknapp.
    Pardiola and co are going to win Sunday and get us in the champions league so don't worry about it anyway :cool:
     
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  11. Jarramag88

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    He wants a goal scoring centre half. Interesting that statement for me like. For a centre half to get you 8 goals in a season you'd expect him to be playing most of the season. If that's the case is he planning on rotating, banking on the fact that taylor always pics up an injury or does he see colo with a new first choice partner?? Like I said, interesting.
     
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  12. Kyle?

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    Does Douglas from Twente score many?
     
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  13. Jarramag88

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    Well he got about 5 this season. I can understand where pardew is coming from like. Williamson should have scored a few for us by now. He wins his fair share from corners in the opposition box.
     
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  14. Cheik the room

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    All other clubs employs scouts who watch players on a regular basis. No club is going to suddenly decide to buy a player just because some manager says that they're available at the right price <doh>
     
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    You must hold on to Ben Arfa no matter what the offers some of the others can be replaced
     
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  16. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    He is stating the obvious really and some things are best left unsaid. Maybe he is aware one is more than likely moving on without CL football, and is trying to prepare the fans. He probably recognises some don't live in reality in terms of transfers, they are part and parcel of football.
     
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  17. Darth Gogledd

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    Lets say Madrid or Juve offers 25mill for Cabaye. With that 25mill, we could sign:

    Sigurdsson (8mill is the rumoured asking price, although it may be 10)
    Vertonghen (5-8mill?)
    Debuchy (5-8mill?)
    Hoilett (3mill compensation?)

    So even if we lose him, we could sign three top european quality players. And 25mill would be the minimum price we'd sell for. If it was closer to thirty, we could get Another good squad player or three, not even including any frees like Amalfitano etc.
     
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  18. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I think Adil Rami at Valencia may be the defender we're targetting
     
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    If you go on a phone in show, then you can't control what you will be asked about.

    If you are asked about transfers you can:

    a. lie
    b. duck the question
    c. tell the truth.

    By saying that a first rank club with bucket loads of money could by our best players he is simply saying what everyone knows. By saying ONLY a first rank club with bucket loads of money can buy our best players, he is setting out a bold position, which I hope is correct.
     
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  20. Albert's Chip Shop

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    Well said
     
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