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  1. The Penguin

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    The government are out on another Wokehunt, this time in the army. In other words please ignore the way that our armed forces have been run down over the years and we can't get recruits anyway, please join me in the War on Woke.
     
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  2. lardiman

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    Is Nadine the Common Sense Minister?

    The same Nadine who wrote a book on how a shadowy conspiracy brought down Boris Johnson?
    Nothing to do with the lies and Partygate then.
    Or getting dodgy chums off the hook, etc.

    Very common sense... <doh>
     
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    The 50k coming over on small boats is the tip of the iceberg. It's the 750k net that is the main issue. It is unsustainable. It is pure madness. This tiny country cannot cope with such an influx, and nor should it have to.
     
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    Over population is the biggest threat to the planet. Far bigger than anything else as it exacerbates everything else.

    But as others have said, it seems to be a taboo subject among the worlds leaders and elite.

    Probably because for them overpopulation just brings more profit, until the system breaks down and we revert to anarchy. But by then they’ll all be dead so they don’t really care.
     
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    We use cheap foreign labour because nobody wants to pay more tax.
    Care workers should be paid only a little less than nurses. Not peanuts as they are at present.
    Then people would want to make a career out of being a carer, as people make careers out of nursing.
    Quality of care would go up for that reason alone.

    But no.
    Tax is a dirty word.
    So we employ cheap inexperienced care workers from Africa, who do their best but are only really on the ladder to something better, or about to start a family, so they do not stay in the job long.
    But when some of them stay in the Country that causes trouble.

    We need to pay medical and social care staff what they are worth.
    And cleaners & other manual labourers as well.
    Then people born here in the UK would step up and do the work.
    We cannot have it both ways.
     
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    Another example of Sir Keir changing with the wind. Now that Labour is losing Muslim votes because of his stance on Gaza he backs a candidate who backs an anti-semitic conspiracy theory. Labour's huge lead in the polls is far more vulnerable than it seems. Starmer himself does not have the popularity that Blair had when he got in with a landslide. Young people, who should be their natural base, are apathetic about both major parties, and nothing Starmer says gives them reason to hope for a better future. His belief that Labour can write a manifesto which the Tories can't find fault with is like an admission of hopelessness. Why vote for a copy when you can vote for the real Tory Party? In GE's people revert to type, which is what Tory voters will do. Prepare for more U-turns and a narrowing of the gap. It's an odd strategy when the government is so unpopular.
     
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  8. lardiman

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    Now Azhar Ali is an independent candidate, Labour having withdrawn its support for him.

    The outcome of this by-election will now cause intense political interest whichever way it goes.
    I'm still not convinced Azhar Ali has damaged his chances of being elected despite his foolish conspiracy theory comments.
    On October 7th the Israeli security forces were caught unawares. A stunning lapse, but they were obviously not complicit.

    What is the mood among the voters of Rochdale?
    And given what is happening in Gaza, what is the mood of the voters of the UK as a whole?

    George Galloway is also standing in Rochdale for some far-left party.
    It will also be interesting to see how many votes he attracts.
     
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    Did somebody say Just Strike?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68274158

    Even young foreign workers, only here because they'll graft for a pittance, are fed up with being exploited.
    Imagine how much your lukewarm pizza would cost if the person delivering it was paid a living wage.

    I work close by to where some of this delivered food is produced.
    You would not want to feed it to your dog if you saw some of the things I've seen.
     
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    Galloway will attract a lot of Muslim votes because of his anti-Israel stance. I can't stand the man but he is a very good orator and powerful debater.
     
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    Voters in Rochdale can thank the Mail group newspapers for the fact they don't have a Labour candidate to support on 29th Feb.

    Though Azhar Ali was of course the architect of his own downfall as a Labour candidate, I heard on the radio news that the Mail had the story of his conspiracy comments quite a while ago. But they chose not to publish it until after the deadline for Labour to replace Ali as a candidate.

    The story is clearly in the public interest.
    However, delaying its release to cause maximum disruption at a by-election I would argue is not in the public interest.
    Still, such fairweather regard for British Democracy should not be surprising, coming from a newspaper which supported Oswald Mosley and his Fascist Party in the 1930s.
    The irony will not be lost on many.
     
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    As I've said many times never underestimate the ability of Labour to shoot itself in the foot.
     
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    It's almost trivial really, this by-election drama.. A little peripheral unsettlement on the fringes of a dreadful catastrophe.
    Both sides in the Gaza conflict have abandoned all restraint or respect for Human lives.
    Those ongoing events are bound to stir division and hatred right around the World.
    So far we have got off very lightly.
    I don't think this whole affair will cost Labour their General Election victory, but it will do some damage to it.

    Once again I say this is the result of a chronic and generational failure of diplomacy and political leadership.
    This is what the terrorists want.
    When there was peace (more or less) our leaders failed to consolidate it.
    Peacemakers were not forthright enough. And now we have Warmongers, Nationalists and Isolationists.
    In the end, as the horror of WW2 fades from living memory, we are getting ready to do it all over again.
    No amount of suffering and grieving is enough to stay our hand.

    I hear supplies of tea are running low.
    Hey Mr Sunak - time to kill some more Yemenis.
     
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    16,000 homes for migrants.

    Utter madness.
     
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    Look after your own first ffs - madness we look after these unchecked criminals first !
     
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    I could not find any reference to this story until I goggled it.
    It comes from the Daily Telegraph;

    Asylum 01.png

    Along with a heart-warming picture of a Police officer and some "unchecked criminals".

    To put this story into some context;
    The Government in its utter madness is saving money by offering private Landlords 5 year paid up rental contracts to house the asylum seekers.
    As housing them in rented accommodation is still a lot less expensive than even cheap hotel rates.
    The Government is not spending new money or creating/building homes specifically for migrants, as might be inferred from the original post.

    And linking this story to the UK's chronic housing shortage is, in my opinion, a laughable unintended irony from this staunch Tory supporting paper.
    Whose fault is it that there are not enough affordable homes for people to live in?
    It wouldn't be 14 years of Conservative Government, would it?
    14 years of failure to build affordable social housing, while allowing private Landlords (including a considerable number of Conservative back benchers) to charge whatever they like for their rented homes.
    I wonder whether any of the private landlords who accept these fully paid five year rental deals will be Tory back benchers, or wealthy chums of theirs.

    I'm merging this thread with the 'migrant crisis' one.
    No previous posts will be lost, they will simply appear in date order (when they were originally posted) in the merged thread.
     
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    Yes, good idea. We mustn’t have a separate thread about these poor people, fleeing for their lives, to the first safe country they could find in the whole world.

    Best to just pretend that there isn’t a Migrant Crisis and that all the country’s problems are down to rich Tories and their chums.

    Anyway, everything will be OK soon when Labour get in. No more problems. <cracker><diva>
     
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    The migrant crisis (like all the other current crises in the UK) is down to the Tories.
    Who's been running the Country for the last 14 years?
    And we've even been free of the EU for almost all of this latest Parliament. Free to make our own laws - or so they told us.
    Yet Rishi Sunak, our third PM in less than two years, and with a majority of 60+, can't even draft a coherent bill that doesn't break International Law and contravene Human rights conventions - never mind get it onto the statute books.

    The virtual collapse of the asylum processing system happened on their watch.
    The Conservatives cannot pretend the serious troubles this Country faces are simply not their fault.
    They should take responsibility.
     
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    Absolutely right. Which is why it’s so good that Labour will be in soon and that they will immediately deal with all the country’s problems. No more getting involved in wars and bombing in far flung places which have nothing to do with us and creating waves of displaced people. It’ll all be paradise under Labour.
     
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    This is exactly why the government keep our focus on stopping the boats.
     
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