to my great regret i never saw jim clark race but i did see the full career of schumacher and baring worm food being on the agenda i will see vettels full career , these three drivers all have something in common in that they have worked with i believe three of the greatest designers within the sport , colin chapman had an affection for jim clark and designed innonotive chassis"s for clark to forge his reputation amongst the all time greats , rory byrne with help from bridgestone tailor made his chassis"s for micheals oversteering quick turn in style , to such great effect that micheals statistical achievments will very likely never be beaten and placed micheals legacy firmly as one of the greatest drivers the sport will ever see , newey it would seem is very settled at red bull and in vettel has found an incredibly gifted and maybe more significant like schumacher a highly intelligent driver of whom will exploit his innonotive chassis designs to the maximum basically i think in vettel and newey we may have a partnership that may dominate for the next few yrs in the way clark and micheal did -- would be interested in hearing peoples views as to whether or not i may have a point --
it depends what the FIA do, do they change the rules to stop one team dominating like they did with Williams, or do they change the rules to help them, like they did with Ferrari Schumacher.
Next? - It's already here Martist! I believe it is already a great partnership; much in the manner you've described!
The RB7 and even the tyres are perfect for Vettel's style and Newey is happy but I don't think that partnership will dominate the next few years. Newey is a great designer but I regard Byrne as better and at the moment I expect Red Bull's domination to end after this season or at the very latest, 2013/2014 when we get the new aero rules. At the moment they are a great partnership but when the day comes that Newey's car struggles, the partnership won't be so stable and Vettel will be looking to drive for Ferrari. To be honest I don't think we'll see another partnership dominate over the next few years but if someone were to dominate, it'd be the Alonso-Fry partnership, with Fry already building the "unbeatable structure".
I don't think they will. I'm still adamant that if Ferrari and Mclaren had a consistency in their designs instead of building a new car then maybe this years battle could have closer.
F1 is too unpredictable, red bull had adrian newey in 07 and 08 yet only finished 5th and 7th in the constructors championship, all it takes is new regulations to turn everything on its head. Just remember 09.
you could be right forza , very likely alonso is probally the most complete driver out there , not sure if fry and ferrari can rival the unbeatable regime of todt , brawn , and byrne not to mention having bridgestone in there back pocket that served schumacher so well in his glory days , for what its worth i thought alonso would have challenged vettel for the win yesterday had he not been stuck behind massa which effectively ruined his race -- lets also not forget as awesome as vettel has been this year he has not reached his peak yet , that alone is a sobering thought for the other teams , i suppose the one fly in the ointment for red bull is the renault engine is not quite up with the mercedes or ferrari V8s , however the new engine regs in a couple of yrs time will give red bull parity with ferrari and mclaren --
A Newey car made Jacques Villeneuve look good (thanks also to Damon Hill's hard work). The guy is clearly awesome. All I would say is when there is change of regulation, his designs can take more time that others to hit the front. Probably becuase he is a perfectionist, but he rarely fails. He and Vettel certainly have the makings to dominate the next few years up to when the new regs come in.
As has been mentioned the word "next" can be taken out of the title in my opinion. You put a driver as good as Vettel in a car as good as Newey's and your going to see domination like we have seen this season.
God I hope not I couldn't stand another season of one driver domination it would be a total bore fest.
I guess it depends on what Fry does to the structure. Apparently he wants Ferrari to use some of the modern methods that he used at McLaren as opposed to Costa's "traditional methods". In my opinion the end of Aldo Costa will mark the end of Ferrari's tyre warm up issues and conservative designs. Fry has brought Byrne back to help Tombazis with the aerodynamics and finding loopholes in the regulations. In a way, yes, but imo 24 year old Vettel is similar to 24 year old Alonso. Both are very strong drivers and have been throughout their careers but I think it will take a few years before Vettel becomes better than Alonso. There are also things I have noticed about Vettel which imply that while his driving is mature, his attitude isn't. When he gets into a car that isn't very good, he needs to be mature enough as a person to deal with the situation effectively. Hamillton hasn't been able to cope this year with Vettel dominating and Vettel might be the same if someone else dominates in the future.
i hear everthing you are saying forza and cannot disagree with any of it , i must admit i forgot about byrne coming back as an advisor on next years ferrari , seemingly ferrari"s wind tunnel correlation problems will be a thing of the past with byrne and fry working together , thinking about it there is every reason to believe ferrari and alonso will be very strong next year , if i am honest it would not surprise me if the spaniard picks up his third WDC next year --
Cant wait to see the end result. But how about a Byrne-Alonso or Hamilton-Brawn to back it up Let war begin!
Vettel and Newey are definately showing signs of forming a formidable partnership. I understand however, that Ferrari are expected to right back at the sharp end next season, with power of the underfloor and diffuser dramatically reduced. If so will be a good test of this partnership to see if they can dominate again...
Err?? Vettel had no problem to drive the TR. So whats your point? He has shown already how he does handle driving a non-top-car.
I wasn't talking about his driving, but more his attitude. It was fine in the Torro Rosso days but that was before he tasted the success at Red Bull. The F1 success and domination has changed Vettel: he's now super confident and thinks he's the best driver out there (the finger is a clear indication of that). Soon the time will come when Vettel won't have a great car and it will be someone else's turn dominate. That is going to hurt Vettel's confidence and he might respond like Hamilton has this season. Welcome to the forum Sportista!
I agree Forza, will be interesting to see how he reacts, going down a few pegs to a "Ferrari quality" car for a few years. Alonso must of been ripping his hair out after he was put back into Renault, though Lewis just looks to be going into meltdown for this season at least. Maybe this is an F1 drivers midlife crysis maybe?
