Newcastle a selling club- depends on your definition

A lot of people portray Newcastle as a selling club. However, surely by most parameters many clubs eventually have their loyalties tested by players leaving for a variety of reasons.
However, if you were a fan of Liverpool , would you have been pleased when Alsonso decided to up sticks or a ManU fan when Ronaldo did the same? In my view, the Enrique deal falls into that camp.
We often see clubs balancing the books with sales . Think of West Ham or ourselves when we sold Milner/Given
Then we have the older player seeking his last contract. Anelka/Drogba at Chelsea and Nolan going to West Ham fall into that camp.
Or when the price is so silly , clubs can see improving the entire squad with the proceeds. Think of Villa, or Sunderland or ourselves with the Carroll money.

I think Newcastle can profit from an influx of transfer funds and to be fair the players we have attracted have brightened our viewing pleasure. When was the last time we saw a HBA or a Cabaye ?......Ginola? Gazza?

 

I get what your saying, but the main issue is not that we are selling all our best players, it's that we are not spending all the available money. For me everything we have done is good, but we could have afforded to spend big on a striker. I'm not saying we should have spent money on any Tom, Dick or Harry, but we should have bid for Daniel Sturrudge right at the start of the window. Even if it would have cost us £15-20 million. That's just my opinion.

 

I know what you're saying but the problem is one of the hooks to get players to sign is the promise the club makes in terms of how the club will progress in their time there. We have made a lot of promises we have been unable to keep. I see us as a selling club. We make a profit every transfer window under the current leadership in terms of transfer fees. I also understand why we're a selling club, we have a massive debt to reduce. Wheeling and dealing is one of the few ways you can turn a profit in football. People talk about spreading the brand etc, but sales of merchandise and links with other clubs tend to only have financial benefits if they are piggy backed onto to success. For a club like us, we need operate a very cute transfer policy which will involve buying potential for decent fees, who can then be moved on at a later date for a profit. How else can Mike get his money back and get the club into a sellable state? Do people really think he is just going to kiss goodbye to a small fortune?

Outside of that you just have to accept as a fan that sometimes, not always for financial reasons, players want to move. It is their right and all the booing etc is just silly. If a club runs into to financial trouble and can no longer afford to keep the promises made to certain players, they have to move the goalposts. It is then totally understandable that the player will want to move. But it is also understandable the club would prefer to sell than to cave in to the players demands. They have to act responsibly, and neither party is wrong. One just has outgrown the other. These promises could be financiall or footballing wise.

A selling club for me is one that recoups more than it spends on transfers. In Ashleys time here, we have recouped more than we have spent on transfers. That is the definition of a selling club to me.

 

the time to see if we've progressed will be the end of the season not one game in and i actually think the players we have got in are of a far higher standard than the ones who have left (jose aside but we'll see who we replace him with) can't really say we're a selling club when in fact we have brought more in than we have sold which in theory/practise means a buying club.
i agree with you it's not as simple as "ooh we sold them we're a selling club" there are always reasons and you have hit the nail on the head with your reasoning why players have left in my opinion.
look at what's going on at arsenal a top 4 club everyone would agree look at the players they have lost would you consider them a selling club?
interesting that wenger has come out and said they will be nothing but a feeder club for the rich clubs till the fair play rules kick in and he can't wait for it to happen.

 

If players want to leave you can't blame the club. I would've done the same thing as Ashleys has in the cases of Nolan, Carroll and Enrique (without being as bigger twat of course)

 

My definition of a selling club to a non-selling club is the club's attitude or policy towards transfers.

Every team in the world apart from maybe Barcelona, have players with a price they just couldn't turn down. That's just natural.

But we at the moment have a willingness and actual financial plan to actively sell players for as much as possible. That's why i see us as a selling club. Let's look at Tiote's new contract for example:-

A non-selling club gives a player a long term deal because they genuinely want to keep him for that amount of time and fend off any potential buyers.
A selling club gives a player a long term deal to up his price in the transfer market to hopefully gain that fee at some point.

We are the latter.

 

like we did with mandy who then wanted a better contract when the dippers came in and when he didn't get it (as he'd just signed a new contract) he spat his pikie dummy out and handed in a transfer request ......now how is that the clubs fault or should we be held to ransom and pay players stupid money ala shepherd it won't be long till we go tits up hate ashley but there are some things that even he can't be blamed for.

every player in the world has a price regardless of which club they play for

 

Don't reopen the Carroll debate, it's only just died down! Everyone has their own opinion on how that transfer came about and none of us know the actual facts behind the transfer. We know his story and their story. Buts that all they are stories.

 

Yea please don't lure me into the Andy Carroll saga please, I've just gotten over debating it 'til the cows came home. Cheers.

Well I did say every player has his price so....agreed?..

 

so your saying i should shut up as it doesn't fit with the anti Ashley argument? or i'm not allowed to raise a point to question someone else's point

 

I dont get why we are beig called a "selling club". Firstly any team in the world would sell AC for 35 mill, that more than Fabragas and David Villa.
Secondly we got a Mangger in half way through last season it was a been seen for miles that he would change the team the way he wanted it!
Us fans just read too much into these things and overall our sqaud is better (LB and Striker inculded)

 

maybe my answer should have been for ****s sake stop bringing the "our owners are selling everything to line their pockets" argument up as it's been done to death it's all speculation and no one knows the full story hold on that could be said for the whole forum oi mick close the forum it's pointless

 

been done to death mate

 

Calm down calm down its only a commercial as winner would say. He's only asking if you think we're a selling club. How the sale of Carroll came about is not really relevant, and I was simply suggesting it may not be in the threads best interests to stoke everyone up about Carroll again. It was split 50/50 and I just had visions of another 10 page Carroll bonanza with folk getting upset. Feel free to bring anything you want into it, but don't take offence if someone regrets you raising certain subjects which have been done to death. It was a boring subject then and still is now. Your comment will light the blue touch paper thats all!!

 

i wasn't stoking up the carroll debate or lighting the blue touch paper as you put it.if you see my earlier post i gave my opinion on if i thought we were a selling club(as we've bought more than sold bit odd to call us a selling club unlike the 80's when we sold and bought **** all i.e. selling club),he raised a point about contracts which i mentioned mandys transfer to put a different opinion to this

 

Indeed and I simply made a jovial remark about the reopening the Carroll debate and you've got upset. We all know how threads go off on wild tangents when emotive subjects are brought up. Carroll is not an emotive subject to me, but it still is to some. Its only a forum, if I'd abused you like some on here I could understand. As I say if you really want to discuss Carroll its nowt to do with me and I really couldn't give two hoots.

 

No club isn't a selling club! If the price is right you sell and all clubs do this

 

my bad it's been a long day