I was listening to Canary Call (laugh a minute!) after the Manure game and picked up on one thing said by McVeigh tat I kind of disagree with. PMV is always very positive about what he sees from Norwich but he did conceed that as fans we all have the right to our own opinions. now that I do agree with, but he went on to say that fans have the right to voice that opinion in any way they see fit. My point is this, there is a minority of our support at the moment who are not happy with the style of our play and the way we are grinding out draws sprinkled with the occasional win and the slightly more than occasional defeat. These people have been known to voice their discontent during matches. Now, even if that thought is shared by just 10% of the attendance, that is still 2-2,500 people and therefore very audible to the players on the pitch. Surely this can and possibly does effect the team and their performance and so adding fuel to the negative thoughts of these people. In my opinion why should a minority be able to spread this negativity and actually spoil what is a very good season for the vast majority of our fans. It is totally unpoliceable, but should fans be able to voice their disapproval whenever and how ever they want? This does lead into another area though, there have been times in our clubs history where it has taken the voice of the supporters to bring about necessary change. Had fans not been entitled to make their point then could we still be in L1 with Gunn as manager (or worse!)? A tough one to call for me. I guess you have to take the good with the bad.....
..........and if fans were not allowed to voice their opinions Kenny, we would be living in a police state and we also might still have a certain Robert Chase at the helm
Isn't he dead? I take your point though. I just think it is important for people to consider their views and the the impact of voicing them before doing so. There are times when it is necessary. I don't see that time being when we are sat in Premier League comfort. I guess it boils down to how passionately you hold your view.
As has been said before, opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one! The problems arise when those among us set the bar of their expectations too high! Rome wasn't built in a day!
I have rarely booed my own team's players during a match, well certainly not as an adult anyway. I have to admit I gave the Rodent pelters towards the end of his tenure though. Worthy also got stick I'm ashamed to say, but that was the board's fault they should have relieved him of his duties way before they did.
As someone once said - 'Booing Norwich City is akin to winning the lottery and then maoning that it wan't the Euromillions'. IMO, not only was it an incredible achievement to get promoted to the PL, but to stay there is unbelievable with our limited resources. I don't like some of the tactics CH uses to 'grind out draws', but hopefully we'll see a difference next season and I for one am impressed by the number of 'clean sheets' we've achieved this season. I would say that if fans have paid good money to follow the Canaries, they should be allowed to voice their opinions and if they don't like what they're seeing and decide not to renew their season tickets next season, then according to the club, there are more than enough people on the waiting list who would be only too willing to snap them up!!! I have renewed mine and will do so for several more years at least!!!
Apart from the Mike Walker years, the recent seasons have been the best ever as a Canary fan. What the hell do people want?
This is what annoys me a little, I do not have a season ticket and for this reason my chances to go these days are very limited. I can accept this, I do not have a season ticket as I cannot financially justify it (to the wife mainly). what does irk me is people going and then complaining about it. I would happily take their tickets off their hands and actually give the team support rather than voicing negativity!
as fans, we've been spoiled rotten these past few years. unfortunately, some of our fans still crave more and more, even though we've hit a bit of a wall, which was inevitable. to get much higher in the league will either take time or vast sums of money. we don't have the latter so fans will have to remain patient. we've got the perfect manager in charge to keep us stable in this league and make changes over time that will see us move further up the league. you don't just click your fingers in this league and become a force, or even a regular. you build slowly, invest at the right times in the right areas and move forwards. its not rocket science which is why i and many others get so fed up with the attitude of some fans who seem to want everything straight away.
While I agree with your totally supers, this thread was more about where and when fans may express opinions that may differ from yours (and indeed mine) but that the are very entitled to have. For me, during a game is not the right time. I just think that unless there are extreme circumstances, expressing an opinion that might have a negative effect on the players is wrong as it hurts those around you who might be quite happy.
i think grumbling is to be expected. its when fans turn on players or boo the manager that it becomes harmful because the fans, no matter what they think, are NOT in control of the situation. problems come when fans DO gain control because then you get a poisonous atmosphere. for example, a fan moaning that hughton should make a change earlier is totally different to booing steve morison when he comes on. i've not heard anything even remotely bad since hughton took over, at least, not aimed at him. football fans will moan. even fans of the best clubs in the world moan - that won't stop and isn't too harmful - they usually moan because they don't really understand what they are watching, but abuse or booing in the crowd can be a major issue, thankfully, not one we are affected by at this time.
Isn't the simplest solution just for the other 90% to drown them out? Or failing that, give vocal support as much as possible to negate any effects. Carrow Road was rocking at the end of the Everton game, we can clearly generate an atmosphere, I think we sometimes just need the fans to make a positive atmosphere when the players aren't quite performing. It's not a problem unique to us by any means, but it'd be nice if fans could be quick to support and slow to grumble. Naturally I don't think this applies to many on here, but there are residents of other forums and, for example, the River End, who could do with a few lessons from the Barclay. On the topic of moaning, i'm just grateful we're in a position where a playing style is the least of our worries. Without our current board our problems would have been an awful lot worse.
The players should be professional enough to not let a minority in the crowd effect their performance. If fans are not happy with what they are seeing then they should be able to voice their discontent at the match. This can actually be a driving force for players to up their game. When your watching a load of dross then I don't see the problem with letting the players on the pitch know that your not happy with what your seeing. It's what we pay our money for.
If I have a problem about a player or manager, it's boards like this I would vent my anger, that's how I think it should be. I criticized Steve Morison a lot on here, but never booed him or groaned when he fluffed something at the match itself, more of a sigh. That's the way it should be, I think fans can contribute to a win or a point but getting behind the team and giving them additional energy, hurling abuse at them isn't exactly motivating them is it? If we aren't particularly playing very well than I think a "Come on lads" is suffice, rather than the choir of groans you always get. I just think vent your anger somewhere which won't really affect the players, that's my take on it anyway.
How many of you can actually say you never get frustrated by passes going astray, corners not making it past the first person, giving the ball away cheaply etc and never had a little moan?? That doesn't mean your not supporting your team, you just have passion and want to see Norwich playing well.
I think a lot of fans have expectations rather than desires. Many people expect us to be level with Swansea - which is a problem in itself - and to win a cup, but the rest want to do the same but know the teams limits and therefore adjust their expectations. People expect us to beat Wigan, Sunderland, Swansea and West Brom 10 times out of 10 but a lot know this isn't always possible.
This sort of thing really really bugs me. It happens, nobody's perfect and even then you can't expect the Norwich players to play to a high standard that the fans expect. We have Holt up front, not van Persie; Bunn/Ruddy in goal, not Casilas; Johnson in midfield, not Fabregas. People expect the Norwich players to do every pass, shot or tackle perfectly, everytime.
I am going to Carrow Road for the Southampton game on Saturday. The train there and back cost me £40 and the ticket itself was £20 (And that was an under 16 ticket!). For someone living off only a student loan, that is very expensive, so if we put in a terrible performance against Southampton I would naturally be bitterly disappointed! I wouldn't boo, but I sure wouldn't blame anyone if they were in my situation and did.
Agreed. Some of our fans are naturally miserable people, they leech the positivity and atmosphere out of sections crowd I've seen it myself in stands like the Jarrold, people want to make a noise but they are afraid of upsetting their neighbours nearby which is usually some miserable bastard, people need to be confident and not care if it upsetting these types of so called fans. As far I'm concerned we're at a football not the Opera if people want to sit in silence or be miserable they can piss off elsewhere.
