Just seen this on twitter from Michael Bailey. Interesting and shows how much we need the win on Saturday. please log in to view this image
another way of asking the same question i suppose, but how many points do the 'hughton-outers' feel we should have at this stage of the season? we currently have 7 - i personally felt we'd have 10 at this stage so it is a little disappointing. what would have been required for all this nonsense about his future to stop? or, as i believe is the case, would it not have mattered - you've made your minds up and nothing he now does will change them?
Good old MB - 'there's lies, damn lies and statisitics'. What he's shown is statistics!!!! We're 1 win away from his line and I'd like to see a complete chart comparing the 11-12 season to the 12-13 season - the latter half of last season would have made pretty grim reading, until the last 2 games!!!
It is so volatile at the moment and a win last weekend would have propelled us to top half like Swansea. We have had a reasonably tough first 8 games, so can we reassess at Christmas at roughly the half way stage because then we will have played Sunderand and Palace as well. Fulham certainly benefitted from their game last night.
As JRFan says, you cannot draw any sensible conclusion from that other than that if we don't win we will be slightly behind where we were same time last season (when, do people need reminding, we ended up above the orange line which currently we are 5 points below). It doesn't at all show "how much we need to win on Saturday". People should realise that whatever the curve looks like at any particular point, it can continue from that point in any of incalculably many was. Maybe will not win another point this season and flatline along at 7 to create a new record low for the PL. Jeez, please people, THINK!
It becomes meaningless this weekend as we didn't play Cardiff last year. So what will he do, include our 'equivalent' result against either QPR, Wigan or Reading? The graph represents the comparable fixtures from last season, not week on week progress. So we're 3 points better off by virtue of beating Stoke away, but lose 2 as we only drew with Everton at home, having beaten them at home last year. I thought, therefore I posted Hope that's all right with you Sir robbie
Descartes's point with "I think, therefore I am" is that ANY thought at all proves the existence of the thinker. "I thought, therefore I posted" is very different, since it ignores the question of whether ANY thought is WORTH posting........... Still, brownie points for erudition Cromer! The fact that it is not a week by week graph but head to head is irrelevant. Teams change radically from season to season, the only real constants being the extra quality of the top six. Do clubs about to play us think we are the same team as last season? Of course not.
Personally, I wouldn't be so hasty to dismiss the use of the graph and looking at how are season is going/needs to go. As long as it's suitably caveated. The graph clearly, undeniably, shows us that we are not performing as we would have liked. Of course, we already knew that, but still. It also shows that just one draw against either Villa or Hull would have got us bang on target. Given how depressed we all are about the results, that's good, no? That penalty we should have scored against Villa, or the one we should have received against Hull, would have been enough. We also: a) have more points than at the same time last year b) have more points from the same games we played last year (i.e. Hull excluded) c) are, to almost universal agreement, playing quite well at the moment d) have beaten the only team we have played near us in the table (though admittedly Hull and Villa will be there or there abouts) The future is bright, the future's yellow and green... Of course, this will change if we lose to Cardiff, but only in our perception, not necessarily statistically will we have lost out much.
judging by the bookies, the teams they seem to think are in a 'relegation battle' this season are: palace, sunderland, cardiff, hull, stoke, fulham, west ham and ourselves. now i would argue that one or two others will be involved too but lets just take those the bookies believe will be in trouble. we have played none of those teams at home yet and only two away, winning one and losing the other. it shows just how awkward our opening fixtures have in fact been. to the small section of fans who bemoan everything the manager does - take the heat off him for a little while, let's play some football, hopefully get some good results and then reassess how we're doing at christmas, eh?
Well by the same argument Pyjamas YOUR mind is just as clearly made up. How is a points total even below your own estimations going to switch their opinions, you can't say we are not doing as well as you thought and then expect people change their view to a positive one. That would be like us being on 13 points and you saying he should be sacked. People (intelligent ones anyway) change opinions over time, not because we play well for 2 games.
A fair point. I'll hold you to the part in bold though! I'd say that, in fairness, we've actually played quite well for four games on the trot (factoring in the Watford game where we were unlucky to concede twice to very good goals - begs the question, though, do we invite good goals to be scored against us?) Even the Villa and Hull matches we played some nice possession football knocking it sideways and controlling the game.
it's because he has an agenda against the manager and always has done. plenty of people who think hughton is struggling (vietnam, kemp etc) are able to take heart from improvement in style or performance, take it all on board and re-evaluate. he is not, will not and never will be satisfied supporting norwich city. what a sad life to live.
