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My idea for a new qualifying format.

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Samurai, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. Samurai

    Samurai Active Member

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    This is designed to give lower teams an advantage, which would make for (potentially) more exciting races.

    QUALIFYING 1

    Teams have 20 mins to set a time, as normal.

    QUALIFYING 2 (WILDCARD PHASE)

    At the end of the 20 mins, the first twist kicks in. The bottom 5 are knocked out, with the usual 107% rule applying here. However, drivers positioned 1st to 12th advance to Qualifying 3 whereas Drivers 13th-19th go to qualifying 2. In Q2, the track is open for 10 minutes, in which time teams may only set one time (enough time, easily, to do an out lap, a flying lap, and an in lap). Only two of these can advance to Qualifying Three, with the remaining ones knocked out.

    QUALIFYING 3

    1st - 12th are joined by the two winners of the Q2 'wildcard' stage. So, 14 drivers battle it out for the top 6 places, over 15 mins, to advance to Q5. 1st to 6th automatically are entered to qualifying 5, whilst the remaining drivers go into the qualifying 4 'wildcard phase'

    QUALIFYING 4 (Wildcard phase)

    The remaining 8 drivers have 10 mins to set only one time, as per Q2, except this time only 1 driver can advance to Q5.

    QUALIFYING 5 (Shootout)

    This would be a fight between 1st and 6th in Q3, and the winner of Qualifying 4, battling it out for the top seven grid positions.

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    This, I believe, would:

    1) Make Qualifying more exciting, by adding 2 interesting twists.

    2) Allow a lower team to progress to the shootout, by managing tyres correctly, and give them a good advantage (by allowing them to start, say, 5th instead of 14th) and make the race more exciting all round!

    Thoughts? I'm happy to answer questions, and take suggestions.
     
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  2. colinsmith11

    colinsmith11 Member

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    Its a good idea! The one thing is it might be a bit confusing for casual viewers who dont watch F1 all the time - and we want to encourage more casual viewing???

    Other than that its a decent enough idea!! :)
     
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  3. Samurai

    Samurai Active Member

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    Thanks for that! I might post an example session.
     
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  4. Kyle?

    Kyle? New Member

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    Good idea. That example may be needed, i'm a bit lost on it, but i think i get the main points.
     
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  5. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The only problem I see is tyres, using to much of them that is, but thats nothing to difficult to fix <ok>
     
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  6. Samurai

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    Session 1:

    1. Vettel
    2. Hamilton
    3. Button
    4. Alonso
    5. Webber
    6. Massa
    7. Schumacher
    8. Rosberg
    9. Petrov
    10. Senna
    11. Di Resta
    12. Sutil
    ---------------------------------
    13. Barrichello
    14. Maldonado
    15. Perez
    16. Buemi
    17. Kobayashi
    18. Alguersuari
    19. Trulli
    ---------------------------------
    20. Kovaleinen
    21. Glock
    22. D'ambrosio
    23. Riccardio
    24. Liuzzi

    Session 2: Wildcard

    13. Barrichello
    14. Perez
    ----------------------------
    15. Maldonado
    16. Alguersuari
    17. Kobayashi
    18. Buemi
    19. Trulli

    Session 3

    1. Button (!!)
    2. Hamilton
    3. Vettel
    4. Alonso
    5. Webber
    6. Petrov
    --------------------------
    7. Schumacher
    8. Rosberg
    9. Massa
    10. Senna
    11. Perez
    12. Sutil
    13. Di Resta
    14. Barrichello

    Session 4: Wildcard

    7. Massa
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    8. Sutil
    9. Schumacher
    10. Barrichello
    11. Perez
    12. Rosberg
    13. Di Resta
    14. Senna

    Session 5:

    1. Hamilton
    2. Petrov
    3. Vettel
    4. Alonso
    5. Massa
    6. Button
    7. Webber

    Final Grid:

    1. Hamilton
    2. Petrov
    3. Vettel
    4. Alonso
    5. Massa
    6. Button
    7. Webber
    8. Sutil
    9. Schumacher
    10. Barrichello
    11. Perez
    12. Rosberg
    13. Di Resta
    14. Senna
    15. Maldonado
    16. Alguersuari
    17. Kobayashi
    18. Buemi
    19. Trulli
    20. Kovaleinen
    21. Glock
    22. D'ambrosio
    23. Riccardio
    24. Liuzzi
     
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  7. Samurai

    Samurai Active Member

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    It just gives the backmarkers a second chance, one they need, to make the race more exciting.
     
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  8. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like it would take longer than the race :/ thats the biggest problem.
     
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  9. Bob Bobbinz

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    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

    please log in to view this image
     
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  10. Stephen Lickorish

    Stephen Lickorish Member

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    I completely agree with you. A better tweak in my opinion would be to make it compulsory for drivers to set a time in any session they get through to. Take Monza, Senna beat Di Resta by a tiny margin, and yet failed to set a time at all in Q3. For the sake of one position (that he lost in the race) was it worth it?
     
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  11. Stephen Lickorish

    Stephen Lickorish Member

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    This is getting beyond ridiculous now. Schumacher, Sutil and Di Resta all don't set times in Q3. They're gaining an unfair advantage by not using a set of tyres trying to qualify. And for those who argue that they've used an extra set to get through Q2, then two points. Firstly, it's their fault their car isn't quick enough, and secondly what was the point in using the softs to get through to Q3 anyway, if you're not going to do a lap. Time for a rule tweak, I think.
     
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  12. chrispa76

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    I have always hated this current qualifying format. I miss the old old one with friday practice/qualify, saturday qualify, sunday morning warm-up and sunday race.

    I have missed a year in between a few times so I completely missed why that format disappeared. Anyone that know? I even liked it better when everyone ran 2 laps each one at the time.

    This current system is completely pointless. The top 10 fastest in Q1 will in 95% of the times be the exact same that battle it out as top 10 in Q2 and exactly the same in Q3. Really VERY stupid. Better to have 2 open practice sessions when people can sneak in their best time whenever they want imho. Or am i just old school?
     
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  13. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Regarding the original idea, time would be a massive factor. You have an hour of track time, plus you'd need time at the end of each session for drivers to complete the lap they're on and then an inlap and a breather between each session. You'd end up with a two hour qualifying session. Then tyres become a factor, off the top of my head I think drivers could be setting up to seven times, which would use the full allocation of primes AND options. Increasing the allocation wouldn't work because it's already a logistical nightmare for Pirelli who have to bring almost 1000 tyres to an event.

    I don't agree with this, they're just cancelling out an unfair disadvantage they'd have as a result of the ridiculous rule whereby the top ten have to start the race on the tyres they set their time on. If they scrapped that rule I'm sure most drivers would do a run. It's difficult to make it compulsory for someone to run because people sometimes have to sit out the session with unreliability, I think it was Kobayashi who had to start from the pit lane in China because he had a problem in Q1.
     
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  14. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    How about drivers who dont set a lap in any session (and haven't crashed/ broken down) fail the 107% rule? And yes the tyre starting rule needs to go.
     
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  15. chrispa76

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    OR give points for qualify finishes :p And then revers order for the race :D (not being serious)
     
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  16. Di Resta is faster than u

    Di Resta is faster than u Active Member

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    I have difficulty following that myself let alone the casual fan
     
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  17. JWP is the goal king

    JWP is the goal king Active Member

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    Just think of all the extra tyres that would need to be used....
     
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  18. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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    I agree and it's also frustrating to less action on the track because teams are more concerned about saving tyres for the race. I think one simple solution should make things a lot fairer: the return of qualifying tyres.

    - Drivers wouldn't need to save tyres
    - Q3 tyre rule wouldn't apply, therefore no advantage for drivers starting 11th
    - Unlucky punctures in qualifying wouldn't affect race chances
    - Alguersuari wont get an advantage for his **** qualifying performances
     
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  19. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I can see where the 'unfair advantage' argument can be made, but as it stands the person in 11th has an unfair advantage over the driver in 10th as they can use whatever tyres they want to. Maybe they should change the rules to everyone has to use the tyres the set their times on or no one.
     
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  20. chrispa76

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    I wonder how many of the lower teams would choose not to qualify at all if you enforced same tyre on everyone. I'd say use same tyre but bring back the old format with 2 open sessions where you could set a time anytime you wanted.
     
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