I like venting my spleen, and I'm about to. Not wishing any malice on anybody and wishing Muamba a speedy recovery, it does annoy me how we all encouraged to lose it these days. Should Bolton's game have been postponed tonight? Maybe. Should Saturday's? No. A man has had a heart attack, as hundreds probably do each day, but as they're not celebrities - neither is Muamba in my eyes - so do we care? If personally involved yes, but otherwise we're ignorant, so why should a man we don't know send us into a frenzy, why did we go fawn over that vile cow Jade Goody when she was ill, why did we all think it was brave of Frank Lampard to play football after his mum died - when my mum had cancer and shortly afterwards died I went to work, carried on, I didn't feel the need to cross myself and point to the sky every time a job left my desk, I didn't expect pats on the back for doing what I was paid to do at a difficult time, so why do we go gaga over strangers????????? Rant over. Oh, and by the way - my team for Liverpool Cerny - (Kenny looks like he has leg braces at the minute) Young Ferdinand Taiwo Onuoha Barton Diakite Traore Tarrabt Cisse Zamora
You know what, Coypu. I'm inclined to agree with you. I too wish the best for Muamba and indeed for all current heart attack victims - I know them all as well as each other - but there is an obsessive mawkishness in the media at the moment, with Owen Coyle coming on 24 hour news regularly to give his medical assessment. It's not necessary. It used to be we were made of sterner stuff in the country, and it wasn't that we didn't care. So I agree with your sentiment - and I hope you won't mind me saying I'm sorry to hear about your mum
No rant at all in fact most will see this in the long run ... It is not a breach of human kindness or a statement that warrants the short sighted suggestions that anyone who has a outside opinion to the brainwashed is evil . I personally see it as the mark of a man that can make his own decisions and react in what ever way he or she wishes It seems that it takes a disaster to wake up people in this jumped up island . The reason I support QPR is if I trace it back is the difference that the club stands for ...real football real fans I think we could turn our attention to a thread called pending disasters and deaths in Football that why we can all get in our comments early for processing That Pele was a great player it's makes me emotional just thinking of all the near goals he nearly scored I await the Senna type tribute blu ray Order now The t shirts are printed already On the front a screen print of the masters head aka Che On the back the words: When I am dead erect me
Spot on. Too much of i'm more upset than the next man going on.Anybody that has experienced death close up ie immiediate family member will know your world may have stopped but everyone around you can and do carry on.(btw He's not died)
There's a difference. These people are in the public eye, admired by many, whether you want to call them celebrities or not is up to you. It's ignorant in my opinion to regard this guy as a ''stranger'', when he generally could have an effect on your life. For example, if Muamba popped up with the winner against us at Bolton you would be down, feel sad, perhaps even anger towards him for inflicting another loss on your team. I know i certainly felt that about Klasnic. So these things can go the other way, and it will have an adverse effect as he's lying on the pitch, dying at WHL. It's human nature. You also mentioned hundreds of people dying of heart attacks each day, which they do yes, but how many die on the football pitch, be it professional or non? At the age of 23? Certainly not many.
Are you saying that Klasnic is no longer a stranger to you because he scored against us? Does he know you feel that way?
All this public display of emotion and vicarious grief started when Diana died. It's now become fashionable to talk with such sincerity about how terrible such events are, and we're somehow cold hearted bastards if we don't join in. Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, young men of an equivalent age are being blown to bits for a cause none of our politcians seem capable of adequately articulating. I wish Muamba well, but I don't know the bloke and would never have been able to pick him out of an ID parade. Had the poor man died there would have been a minute's hand-clapping (because you can't trust many football crowds to observe a respectful silence) and black armbands all round. Much the same as we saw with Gary Speed's death. But we don't generally give the young servicemen and women a moment's thought.
I get where you're coming from mate...each to their own eh? But **** me....what sort of formation is that?!!
Klasnic has never been a stranger to me, because he's a professional footballer, in the media spotlight nearly 24/7. He doesn't know I feel that way, because i'm a stranger to him. Did you mean to quote me then further highlight my point? lol
In the olden days we'd have called it an attacking 532. Since the media decided to make 532 sound more attacking by describing it as a 352 people insist on putting the wing backs in line with the central midfielders and it looks all mental.
One thing I don't like is people acting as if the guy died. Flowers outside the ground and a minute's applause at the West Ham game and presumably others seems a bit odd when the guy is alive and improving.
Yes, yes...I know all that. But that formation usually has three centre halves as the back 3....NOT 1 centre half with 2 full backs!! Also, Onouha is never a wing-back in a million years.
I have to agree with the feeling on this thread. Nothing against football and I appreciate and admire how they look after their own. The fact is that someone dies every second or so somewhere and we can appreciate the inhumanity and fickle nature of life without excessively public outpourings at arbitrary occurrences. Either that or we let it consume us to the point where we're rendered useless. Sorry, but I'll keep my concern and extreme emotion locked up for my nearest and dearest because those are the ones that rightfully should matter most (and it wouldn't particularly ease my suffering if random strangers started laying flowers at my door).
It's all a bit Diana and roadside shrines to chavs who nicked a car and wrapped it round a tree.But let's be honest it's the meeja innit? If I watching a football match and a player had a heart attack I would of course feel sympathy for his family but if we go into shock every time an incident or accident occurs we would be permanently in a state of shock. How would A&E units work? They would be weeping and wailing all day long.
My only input here : I feel a greater connection to Muamba's situation than I do towards other people's heart attacks because I watched it happen (albeit live on TV) and so it feels more real. In the same way (and this'll show my age) Tommy Cooper's death on stage back in the 1980s really impacted me - not because it was any more tragic than other deaths, and not because I particularly liked his act (although I did) but because it happened there, right in front of my eyes. There's nothing wrong with feeling sympathy for ALL victims of illness, tragedy and suffering - that's a good thing. But there's also nothing wrong with feeling a greater connection with one particular event - for whatever reason.
This. It's really quite simple. The idea that we should feel equally upset about every heart attack victim is absurd. There are many ways we are connected to people and Muamba, being a professional footballer, who we all know the name of, who we all have seen play many times, who many of us saw collapse with heart failure live on television, is therefore elevated above perfect stranger. Of course we're going to react more strongly to the story 'Professional footballer Fabrice Muamba almost dies at 23 whilst playing for Bolton' than the story 'Man has heart attack'. At the same time, I do agree there is often a level of 'competition' over who can be the most concerned when these matters concern a public figure. I agree with Watford that some of the gestures have been a little premature and now look faintly ridiculous.
This somes up everything nicely. I don't understand why there are so many cynical bastards out there, and on here! What's wrong with feeling sympathy for someone else even if you don't know them? If you're all such stonecold-hearted why don't you ask to go live in a Gulag in Russia you miserbale gits
