I read this Sunderland board on a regular basis and before this I read the BBC board, now and again making an article myself. But some of the people that comment, I don't actually think that they know anything or have ever played football In their lives. The way players get hounded as great players and then a bad patch of form and all of a sudden they are s**t, i.e John mensah, gorden, muntari, even unbelievably bent! People on here were saying to sell bent at one point and when we did and it all went tits up then it was bruces fault?! Now we even have people attacking N.Quin?!?!?! The man who was dubbed a saint by you lot at one point and now there's digs flying at him from everywhere? The man who turned Sunderland into a premier league football club and got E.Short to invest millions so we could see the likes of bent,gyan,sessegnon and hopefully many more. The man has invested his own money and told us about his love for the club, a hero for the club he is. Then you have the Bruce haters, at one point Bruce was going to be the next England, Manchester united manager according to some on here, lead us to Europe!L And a bad run of results and he has to be sacked! Bring in oneal you all say! Well how long did it take oneal to get villa into Europe? 1 season? 2? No, he built a team over years, he already had all the foundations of a premier league club, but it still took him a few seasons. Why not give bruce time and if after a couple more seasons nothing changes then we review it then. But give the man a chance! I find it the most funniest when you get people who come on here who try and review bruces decisions as though they have been a premier league manager in their time and critise and analyse his every move, as though if they was manager they would be perfect. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that our supporters of our great club come on here and talk about our team, I love the arguments and banter etc. But there is no need for all of the above, like as soon as things start to go wrong you get all the people coming on here thinking they are the next Jose mourinio giving their advice as though Bruce and quin should take them seriously, I ask these people, what have you actually done in the game?? Won premier league trophies? Played at the top flight for top clubs?? Bruce has, quinn has. It's great to have an opinion and every one deserves one but things that have been said on here is just laughable at times. I don't like offending people but this had to be said. Looking forward to next season
Well whilst a lot of what you say is sense, football changes all the time, and this weeks hero is next weeks dog food. If peoples opinions follow this same pattern, it's called reality.
Good strong passionate opinions, you are a Sunderland fan, pity you are wrong about SB, keep on posting though!
In answer to the martin oneil question the answer is two years. he took over a villa on a downward spiral who finished 16th, in his first year made them solid and got them to 11th then slowly brought in one or two quality players here and there and finishes 6th, 6th and 6th. This season, without oneal but with the same squad (bar milner) were seriousy threatened by relegation untill the spent 24m on a goalscorer.
I think we fans have always played better than any player, had better tactics than any manager and without doubt know far more than any chairman or owner. Thats why we spend our days on here and those fools Short, Quinn and Bruce get paid a fortune to do the job. Bit like politics, put me in charge and I will sort it, and the army, and the police force, and the RSPCA, especialy the RSPCA
Exactly what I was going to say. But note, it isn't a case of hating Bruce, it's a case of thinking he's not up to the job. I think he'll be kept on, and I so hope that I'm wrong about him - nothing would give me more pleasure.
Itââ¬â¢s all fine and dandy you taking the moral high ground here and making comments from the sidelines as if blessed with all the answers but merely adding fuel to a burning fire is hardly a high brow stance is it. The arguments you aspire to comment on are exactly the very same discussions had up and down the length and breadth of the country from fans of all persuasions. We are all fantasy football managers on these boards and our opinions are just that....... our opinions! They certainly donââ¬â¢t influence club decisions and donââ¬â¢t automatically become club policy just because we debate them. As fans, we are in the enviable position of being able to switch player/manager allegiances at the drop of a hat and become disgruntled or ecstatic in equal measure after every game. You seem to place a much higher influence on these boards than reality actually affords them and you shouldnââ¬â¢t be so sensitive as to the comments made on them. Football fans have been notoriously fickle since the year dot and that hasnââ¬â¢t changed even if the outlets for that debate have become more high tech. Nothing we say here has a bearing on what Quinn and Bruce will eventually say or do with the players and staff. We are sounding boards and today, as things stand, there are 2 main camps. 1. Those that still think Bruce is the man to bring success to the club 2. Those that donââ¬â¢t Which ever camp your in, it doesnââ¬â¢t matter. The managers position will be decided by Short & Quinn and the players bought by Bruce himself. All we do is speculate and debate and on occasions fall out (temporarily I hope) because for us we think with our hearts and not our heads. Luckily, we have an owner, Chairman and Manager that do think with the big muscle between the ears and not as us fans with nowt between them at times. No SAFC fans here want SB to fail. If he turns it round then we will all switch allegiances again and he will be supported. Until that time however, those that think he has had a fair crack of the whip with little forward progress, can say so without prejudice surely, as is our right as supporters. Too many people take these boards seriously as if what is said will happen to the club or that the club will somehow be brought to its knees because someone thinks Bruce is no good or Quinny should go? If Bruce is really going to get upset because I say he isnââ¬â¢t the man for the job then he really isnââ¬â¢t the man for the job. He gets paid 2m a year to take the flak and he is doing so now. If he gets it right he will rightly get the praise. Its called being a fan mate. Get over it.
Welcome to the board. I think you've gone about this all wrong, like Cest says, these are just different fans opinions, and be careful not to tarnish all fans with the same Brush(es).
Crestiamackem Taking morale high ground? Looks like your the one who is trying to do that? It wasn't a bruce in/out subject. And of course people should be able to comment, that's what this board is for, good,bad or anything you want to say. I'm not sensitive to comments, Most make me laugh, others I agree with, some I don't, like everyone else. But I was having my opinion on what I read, that's what the board is for right, opinion. Or should I consult to you before future postings? I don't need to get over it because there is nothing to get over
QUOTE: "Then you have the Bruce haters, at one point Bruce was going to be the next England, Manchester united manager according to some on here, lead us to Europe!L And a bad run of results and he has to be sacked" Not a Bruce in or out thread eh? Did you actually write this yourself, or better still read it when you were finished? As for consulting me before you next post, given the shambles of this one that may well be your best bet?
From memory, the mags were saying when we got Bruce he will just piss of to Man U when he gets a better offer, just like his previous clubs, and the vast majority of us said, if he has done that good of a job with us, to warrent the Man U job, then fantastic (but so far he is nowhere near that standard).
GB, I hope you not only stay around but write more threads mate. I think you have some good points but like others have said its all about opinions and the good thing is we all not only have them but are free to voice them. Do you like dogs?
I agree with much of the sentiments of this article, and the way that some peoples opinions change from one week to the next sometimes makes me wonder if they suffer from schizzophrenia. However, this is the place to express opinions, and just because they differ from my own I wouldn't say they are clueless: unless they were Skunks of course which would just be stating the obvious.
Crestiamackem Yeah it was a quote out of a whole article, 1 paragraph out of 5, so no it wasn't a bruce in/out article, are you sure you read it? Why don't you consult to me before posting, you don't seem to read things properly or your not the brightest. If you want to criticise, actually have something to say which I'm not going to make you look silly with my reply
He'd be hard pushed to get a managers job with Man at C and A going on this season never mind Man U. You've got your opinion I've got mine you think Muntari and Mensah are fine even Bruce can see they aren't and, Gordon has never really won over the majority on here, he has his world class spells followed by another long lay off for whatever injury he hasn't had yet. "Now we even have people attacking N.Quin?!?!?! The man who was dubbed a saint by you lot" Agree with that though not sure what you mean by "you lot" though doesn't sound right to me.
