CORBYN HAS BECOME A MONSTER TO THE ESTABLISHMENT please log in to view this image please log in to view this image What is amazing is that Mr Corbyn has very little power at the moment as he is not the leader of the party in power, however the media continues to cover countless stories about him. please log in to view this image Ministry of Defence condemn army general behind Corbyn 'mutiny' threat The Ministry of Defence moved to condemn a serving army general who warned that Jeremy Corbyn could face “a mutiny” from the military if he became Prime Minister. In highly contentious remarks, the unnamed army commander said any attempt by Mr Corbyn to take Britain out of Nato, scrap Trident or cut… independent.co.uk http://www.thejournal.ie/jeremy-corbyn-army-coup-nationalise-railway-2342053-Sep2015/
Unnamed commander? You know what pisses me off about that, this ****ing General is given anonymity. His name should be outed ffs. Too much news now comes from "government source" and "A general" No longer do these ****s have to be responsible for the cack they insert into the media these days
Lol...He has to become PM first...Not a bloody chance. Not even if Camerons successor comes riding into parliament on the back of a pig while ****ing a chicken.
True, though who makes him unelectable.. The media. If you can get a George Bush jnr into office you can get a Corbyn in if you are the media. Bush destroyed several companies, an alcoholic and a complete idiot with a Nazi sympathising family history. Appearance is everything. But who knows, several more years of austerity and an educated youth with no jobs and in 5 years things could be very different mate. What Corbyn needs to do is grab up those that don't vote, of which there are many, and given there has been a real public interest in politics of late.. who knows. The Tories actually don't want a 100% turnout because a 100% turnout would see them never getting elected.
Fairly sure it's himself. Not saying the media aren't targeting him (but hey they were quick enough to splash the pigs head story about Cameron as well) but you can't promote yourself as the anti-establishment figure and not expect that. Purely and simply, he didn't expect to win and while he has opinions on things he has not even bothered to throw together clear policies. His party is a mess and hostile. He can have all the grassroots support he wants it doesn't turn into election victory. No party wants a 100% turnout..It's too expensive to campaign although it's interesting to note that since the seventies the 5 highest turnouts of voters at UK General elections have resulted in a Conservative government. But I find it strange that of the 40% that don't vote in the general election the assumption is always that they are a homogeneous group of disaffected wannabe voters rather than including a sizeable chunk that just dont care no matter who is in power. I also think people underestimate how devisive his opinions will be. Yes he may convince some of the "disaffected youth" to vote...more likely they'll just quote him around the party drinks table. but I believe he would also push some centre ground current voters to the right. Conviction politics polarises. The Tories will bet they are more likely to convince people that normally vote that he is a "danger" than Corbyn/Labour will convince non voters he's worth the effort.
They are all ****s still, whether they are cons,labour libs etc, all useless self serving ****s. Probably be better off if a monkey was running the country. I don't care who is in power any more,they are all the same near enough. I should imagine those that don't vote probably feel the same way, how do you convince me otherwise you as a party care for the people and not your own self interest ie money
That's more the problem. To survive in a media driven world ,and I'm not just talking about establishment press, I'm talking the age of the internet you need a professional team to get your ideas out and convince people you are competent. Where we have gone wrong much like America is that new candidates are now continually being selected from within the team rather than the team supporting a viable candidate who comes from grass roots beginnings. The result is people like Cameron and Milliband who have not really worked outside the sphere itself. It's another damming accusation on Corbyn. While they try to put him across as new and different he's been part of it for decades as an MP. Oh he was a rebel they say..but that's easy to be when your seat is safe.
Fairly sure it's himself. Not saying the media aren't targeting him (but hey they were quick enough to splash the pigs head story about Cameron as well) but you can't promote yourself as the anti-establishment figure and not expect that. Pigs head There has been hundreds of articles about Corbyn and most of it garbage, and Cameron shagginga pig's head and sniffin powder will do him less damage, that's the crazy media world we live in. Cameron is currently a figure of fun, it will quickly be forgotten while the myriad of articles will appear daily on Corbyn, and I agree his stance is the cause, but lets not forget who funds these lot, HSBC give the Telegraph ad money, and so on, advertising was the death of journalism Purely and simply, he didn't expect to win and while he has opinions on things he has not even bothered to throw together clear policies. His party is a mess and hostile. He can have all the grassroots support he wants it doesn't turn into election victory. He's hostile to the media alright. He's also going to seem hostile because he's always being attacked. He's been elected so we have to wait see if he gets it together over the next while, his foot is only in the door like, some settling time is needed. The fact he is willing to not be static in all of his thinking is a good sign. No party wants a 100% turnout..It's too expensive to campaign although it's interesting to note that since the seventies the 5 highest turnouts of voters at UK General elections have resulted in a Conservative government. Yes economic fear is the perfect fodder for the middle class sheep. Threaten their decent lifestyles and and especially play around money and you'll get the votes. They lap that **** up. No one considers "how" the Tories planned to "fix" things. We seen though in 2008 which is where it led to after Thatcher, the middle class being annihilated, they were scared into voting for their own demise. Same thing started by Reagan in the US and the US middle class got mullered too since 2008. But I find it strange that of the 40% that don't vote in the general election the assumption is always that they are a homogeneous group of disaffected wannabe voters rather than including a sizeable chunk that just dont care no matter who is in power. I think young people are probably the biggest non voting demographic, though I don't have figures on that, with no skilled jobs for skilled college leavers that might change. I am cynical, I see the raising of tuition fees is an attempt to lower than particular demographic, as well as preparing education for complete privatisation at a later stage. I also think people underestimate how devisive his opinions will be. Yes he may convince some of the "disaffected youth" to vote...more likely they'll just quote him around the party drinks table. but I believe he would also push some centre ground current voters to the right. You have a point he is devisive. But again it's early doors, he's not the preened polished type with a hoard of advisors sort, I think it's too early to judge him entirely. As I said above, with the way jobs are going for education leavers we may see a shift. It's happened throughout history. Conviction politics polarises. The Tories will bet they are more likely to convince people that normally vote that he is a "danger" than Corbyn/Labour will convince non voters he's worth the effort. The Tories are banking on apathy and fear for the middle to lower class and they will always get the backing almost of the top tiers fianancially. _________________ Labour ceased to end when Tony Blair brought about "New Labour" it was actually "no Labour". It was Tory and Tory-lite. Labour ceased to exist under Blair
But you see BBF. You look at the world from the activist point of view. I'm not in any way criticising that: when you see revolution or radical movements take place around the world it excites you and brings you hope that it can occur in the likes of the UK. Except the UK is a country of evolution not revolution, at least for the last 300 odd years. The vast majority of people like continuity. They watch around the world at uprisings and radical movements and see that it doesn't change their house/food prices or job security for the good. In fact they see it actually damaging people like them where its happened. Now I know you have your theories and beliefs on why that is and maybe you are right but the reality is most people don't like and are frightened by dramatic change. If Corbyn is to be a success he would have to start with a mainstream adaptation of his message and bring in his more radical ideas incrementally. But if he does that he risks being branded a sell out by his core support. Hrs between a rock and hard place. Putting your own views aside. Let's say the Tory cuts continue unabated. Let's say he somehow Unites the PLP and they adopt his ideas and present them as such to the public. Let's even say he manages to get a bunch of new "corbynite" candidates to stand at the next GE. Do you honestly think the people of the UK, looking at their voting habits for the last 150 years will bring him to power? I honestly don't.
And back on topic. That's also the reason why you won't get military coups in the UK. The military is ingrained in the establishment which includes the houses of parliament, the monarchy etc etc. Our Military is traditionally conservative (small c) and doesn't like radical change. It knows that our parliament or our electorate would never adopt the ideas of Corbyn as they stand and even if they did there is no indication that our military has lost faith in the democratic process of our country. One nutter or two among them aside.
For Corbyn to succeed he needs to craw to Rupert Murdoch to dictate the policy of next labour government. I am sure the man is not going to do that. Newspapers are the King makers. If Tony Blair can do it,I wonder why he cannot.
