Mike Dean admits he should have shown Tevez red against QPR The referee believes if a full view had been available of the incident between the Argentine and Joey Barton he would have dismissed the Manchester City striker The 29-year-old midfielder was shown red by Dean on the final day of the season for his elbow on Tevez and his violent reaction to Sergio Aguero and Vincent Kompany, and has since been handed a 12-match ban by the FA. But Dean admitted via video link to the regulatory commission that Tevez, who escaped without punishment, would have been dismissed too for his initial strike on Barton. Commission chairman B.M Jones stated: "Mr Dean was questioned about the Tevez incident for which Mr Barton was dismissed. It was confirmed that neither the referee nor the assistant saw the alleged incident of Mr Tevez striking Mr Barton although Mr Barton immediately made representations to Mr Dean that is what happened, and such comments by Mr Barton can be clearly seen in the video. "The commission accept that Mr Barton was aggrieved by the action of Mr Tevez and Mr Dean confirmed that had the incident been seen by the officials as shown by the clip supplied by Mr Barton, it would have been an automatic red card. "The commission find that this does not however excuse the subsequent action by Mr Barton in relation to Messrs Kompany or Aguero." Barton, meanwhile, will not appeal against his 12-match ban and £75,000 fine. The west London side also announced they would be carrying out their own investigation into the incident. A statement from his club read: "Queens Park Rangers Football Club can confirm it has now started a full internal investigation in relation to Joey Barton's dismissal and subsequent events against Manchester City on the final day of the 2012-13 Barclays Premier League season. "The QPR midfielder will not appeal against the independent regulatory commission's decision made on Wednesday and he and his team are now working in full cooperation with the club to assist in the internal investigation. "The club expects the investigation to last at least two weeks. "During this period, no one from the club or Joey Barton himself will make any further comment."
so no retrospective action for Tevez because that would mean the FA admitting they're wrong and we all know that's never gonna happen!
There's the club's get out of a gross misconduct charge if they want one. However, the red mist factor excuses little for a captain in such cliff-hanging circs, not matter what sparked Joey's personal rage. The skipper's the player you count on to control the game plan on the pitch. Fact is, Joey lost it and as a result, we lost a key player, the game and very, very nearly, our place in the prem. For me, that's still derogation of duty and he's still brought the club into disrepute both in the melee and subsequent remorseless statements on Twitter. Trust issues are also material. Key disciplinary question is, can QPR trust Joey to look after it's best interests in future?
I’ve kept well away from this topic because I feel unable to join in with the righteous indignation. Barton is just doing what he has always done, why did anyone really think he would be different just because he was playing for us? I’m sure you’ve only posted this question to launch a debate, but QPR could never trust Barton to look after their interests. He is not a professional in the way that Shaun Derry, Clint Hill or Jamie Mackie are, his only interest is in himself. If you buy an arsehole why be surprised when you find out that you’ve bought an arsehole?
Before he joined us I didn't have much time for Barton. For purely selfish reasons I was happy when he joined because I thought he was better than the players we had and it was a positive statement from new owners. I romanticized this by also thinking he was attempting to transform himself, was off the booze, his autodidact work on Twitter was a bit cringeworthy but nobody should be criticized for trying to broaden themselves - above all, everybody who is genuinely trying to change themselves deserves the benefit of the doubt. So what about now? I think the challenge of transforming is a bit too much for Joey at the moment. Clearly there is something deeper than drink behind his issues with violence and being the centre of attention. I still think he, and anyone else trying to change themselves, deserves support and it will be a very sad day for me if I stop believing this. But my selfishness for QPR must take precedence and the quicker we can get rid with minimum damage (financial or otherwise) to the club the better. BUT - what if he really was a genius player? Would our attitudes be different if he was Cantona or Gazza? Imagine - Barton with exactly the same history, but who had played like a God all year and kept us up. Where would you stand then? Not so black and white, is it? Big article on Gazza in The Times magazine today. As always it elicits sympathy and sadness for a genius who is in fact ill. But it also reminds us that he used to beat his wife up.
Comes down to you v. me on this one Roller - and unfortunately for us all, you won outright! Whilst you always had Joey down as a no-no, I was looking at the potential in a man who'd had TIME (pun intended) to reinvent himself and become a force for us. In the Wolves (away), Norwich (home) and a few games after Sunderland (away), it started to look like I was right - and even you were beginning to reconsider (or were my eyes and ears deceiving me?!). However, there's no denying the leopard's spots reappeared rather dramatically on the last day, so hands up and hat's off to you on this one mate! Shame though.
Guys, the simple fact is that we took a gamble on Barton and the gamble has failed. We knew the baggage that Barton was arriving to our club with. I know we were scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel for players with the transfer clock ticking away mercilessly in the background but my gut feeling was that NW was a little overawed by managing so called "big name" players. He then compounded this error by making him captain. Here, NW made a grave mistake. He basically showed that he had no faith in his old workhorses that have trudged the championship battlefield with him over many years. The club IMHO are guilty here as well. Barton spent most of the season on twitter where his ridiculous opinions on almost everything, IMHO he brought himself and by association our club into the media spotlight unnecessarily. Many on here winced when we signed him. While not being overawed by his signature, i felt he added some quality to a squad that was basically assembled by the Champ Maestro NW to get us promotion. As mentioned above, a leopard does not change his spots. Barton is an accident waiting to happen. Fortunately his latest and worst offense did not cost us our Prem status. He is not dependable, he is not a world class player, he is not captain material, and YES, if we do not manage to get rid of this cancer in our club, he will offend again and disappoint those how are willing to believe that people can change. This man is sick. You all know that famous saying "bite me once and it's your fault, bite me a second time and it's mine"
OK, Barton reacted very badly - he is getting punished in fotball terms very severely. But the FA commission and referee confirm Tevez would have got a red based on the film video of his action shown, so they should be charging him now. For me it is totally unreasonable that Barton gets a12 games suspension and a fine and Teves, who initiated the whole thing, gets absolutely nothing as it stands now.
You have to bear in mind that to punish Tevez would mean dragging the suits back from their well earned summer holidays. Far less messy and convenient to pretend it never happened.
I know mate, they are going to do exactly what F. A. stands for F*kk All. They never do, if they might just get a spot of the brown stuff flying their way.
SB and Brixton, good, well constructed points as ever. You two know me better than anyone else posting on here, but before I reply to any direct comments let me make my naively idealistic position clear. The image of Q.P.R. is very important to me, perhaps too important. I almost certainly have it on an unwarranted and unrealistically high pedestal, but that is why players such as Lee Cook matter so much to me. Shaun Derry is the current torch bearer of my Q.P.R. ideal, a player with so much class and dignity. Obviously no one is an angel, but they are players to be admired, the complete antithesis to Barton. Stan, while I would always encourage anyone to try to improve themselves, we have all met people like Barton. Many of them claim they are going to change, very few ever really try, even fewer succeed. I have seen nothing in his attitude to suggest that he is actually trying to change, he has been his usual boorish, loud mouthed, self obsessed, conceited self. His comments made at the time that Warnock got sacked perfectly highlight his true character. If he had played like a God all season I would be in a very small group still wanting him out. If you trace this back to do day we signed him, my argument then was not based on what he did on the pitch and that has not changed. As a reminder this was the opening to my thread.. As I say, not a footballing argument. Out of interest it is still an interesting thread with a lot of very positive disagreement, this link should take anyone there if they want to re-read it... http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/80429-Is-mine-the-only-voice-of-discontent Stan, I do see it as starkly black and white. I really hope that he can transform himself, but somewhere else. Brixton, I donât see that this really is a matter of right and wrong, more optimism and pessimism. Weâve disagreed about him at every match weâve been to and sat at opposite ends of the spectrum throughout. Iâm intrigued as to when you thought that I may be softening. I had no problem saying when I thought he had played well and was not anything like as critical as many others when he had played poorly, but at no point did my position changed. I repeat, it was never a footballing argument, my head will be held higher when Barton no longer wears a blue and white hooped shirt.
They confirmed to someone who emailed them that no action will be taken against Tevez. 100% proof they are corrupt and we arent competing on the same level as the big teams.
Nothing at all, its expected and accepted. Dont forget this is an organisation that banned barton for a non existent head butt yet appealed Rooneys 3 match ban for violent conduct.
The F.A. do consistently fail to cover themselves in glory don’t they? I’d use their pathetic refusal to overturn Derry’s ridiculous sending off as a better example.
Well we are spoilt for choice, Id also look at them letting off Terry as well. No doubt he will bring along a grey wig to wear so he can celebrate with his barrister.
Great post as usual mate. Going to argue against myself here. On another thread had a quick exchange with Belfast, who is qualified to discuss such things, and speculated on whether Barton has some kind of personality disorder. Remote diagnosis is a dodgy thing, but Belfast felt possibly. In which case there is very little Barton can do about his behavior, because he actually sees nothing wrong in it, and it's hard wired into him. In which case my post above is naive anyway. Reached the same conclusion as you the long and hard way, the club is way more important and we have to finish this soon. But there would be plenty on here who would forgive him anything had his performances been top class.
That makes sense to me. He shows no remorse for his actions and statements which would back this theory up. I'm off to look for that thread now. Only a fool would dream of calling you naive. Overly optimistic maybe, or rose tinted, but never naive. I reserve that for myself and my hopes for the Rs. If only it would end soon, but that is not the Q.P.R. way. My post back in August made it very clear that many shared my reservations but would forgive him the world if he played well. My morals are not that flexible or negotiable, but I probably suffer more disappointment because of that. As ever there is no winner.
